YBIOTL Episode 11 Publish
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[00:00:00] Your dog will gag. Here. Wait, hold on. Let's start recording. 'cause I wanna hear this story on the pod. I thought we already did record. That's why I said the whole thing. Well, I mean, let's, let's, Bill's already blown through his A material. What's, uh, I'm already on B bro. I'm on my BRE right now. This is a presentation of Indian dad media in association with
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Welcome to episode 11 of your businesses online. If my voice sounds even sultry than normal, it is because I have a big league cold. And Philip Chaz, I'm gonna ask you to carry me. During this intro, much like Connor Hauck carried the United States to an undeserved gold medal dude at the 2026 Winter. I, I dunno how I feel on [00:01:00] the one hand, I love that guy.
Obviously he's a Jets fan, but come on dude. At least you guys had that, you know, you guys must've been disappointed, but then I'm like, at least at some level you're like, you know, at least he won a big game finally. You know? Yeah, that's true. Hopefully that means Did that take the edge off a little? Yeah.
Hopefully that means that he's like, um, gonna come back and stand on his head as well for us. Um, what is this that you're showing me? I'm just showing you guys this people, there's no video, but, uh, I got all of the, um, name card, name plaques for all of the, uh, guest gifts we're gonna be giving out. They arrived today.
Have you teased those on socials yet? Are the people aware? Philip is, Philip has shared his, um, so, uh, yes, they will be coming out here shortly. It's on all the time, by the way. I just forget to turn it off. Uh, so yeah, it's just, I'm, I'm sure like when the lights go out in the office, people walk by in the streets being like, what is that weird, glowing blue.
But it's [00:02:00] based on the production quality and cost of the components that will almost certainly fail within hours. So I should turn it off then. Um, before we get to, uh, there's a couple things I wanna get to today before we get to our guest. Our guest today is Courtney Coss of Privo, um, a very, very cool Calgary startup in the fashion industry.
She has an incredible idea. Oh my God. We're not gonna tease this idea though. It's one of my favorites. Maybe my favorite. I love it. It's a cash cow. It's so good. Two things I wanna talk about before we get to that one, Philip, you just mentioned. You are going to be dog sitting? Yes. For the dog. That, um, if, uh, everybody remembers previous episodes, uh, it sounds like you were replaced by this dog.
Yeah, this little dog is my brother slash arch nemesis. Yeah, but he, I love this dog. He's like a brother though. But if they got this child specifically to [00:03:00] replace you though. Yeah. So this dog, is he flying out from Winnipeg to, to hang out with you? What is his, what does his itinerary look like? Yeah, good question.
My parents are driving right now and, um, so that means I get to borrow also the, the sweet little Subaru Outback, um, for the next two weeks. But they're driving out here. Let's get a live check on where they're at. They are just about to enter Medicine hat, just about to cross over the, the Saskatchewan border.
Um, oh, they're on the home stretch. They're on the home stretch. Shut up Medicine hat. And then, uh, yeah, they're flying to India on Saturday. So I have two weeks of babysitting this dog. My first, I think moments of responsibility possibly ever in my life. This might be the first time anyone's ever asked me to take care of except for my plants at home.
First time taking care of a living thing. Plants aren't easy. What are your parents going to do? Did you They have a pretty cool trip lined up. Um, they're in the south the whole [00:04:00] time, but it's like two weeks of touring, like female owned businesses in India along with like touristy stuff. I thought maybe they were, uh, going out to see your sister-in-law's extended family and bringing them a bunch of gifts to make up for your lack of gift giving at the holidays, that would be a better karma karmic thing to do.
That's what we in the industry call a callback. A gentleman. I'm nervous though. Any advice, Chubb on taking care of a living thing? Yeah, no, I think dogs are like, uh, babies or toddlers, right? Like Chad's got more experience on the dog end than I do. Um, I'm worried about everything when we, uh, we eventually will be getting a dog at some point.
Uh, it's actually scares me more than having a child. Yeah. I've heard it's harder than having a child. It is. That's what someone told me, someone who has both told me that I gotta re, I gotta renege on this offer to the kids. If we're gonna get a dog, then it's very easy. Chaz, you got some dog, you got some dog experience.
Yeah. That experience in general? Yeah. [00:05:00] Yeah. I'm a big pet guy. We're actually in the new apartment. We don't have any, but the house I was just living in had like five, so it was like a full on zoo. I don't think it's even legal. Not five dogs, sorry. Three dogs and two cats. Okay. Okay. And the one, the one dog small.
She's practically a cat. That's so crazy. So I think that, are you leaving this dog at home during the day or you, you bringing this dog to work? Because you also are on record saying. The workplace is not a place for dogs. Yeah, I did say that. And, but um, Angelica has been like really pro me bringing in the dog.
Um, and the other companies in our like office aren't in I think next week, so I might bend my own rules and be totally distracted and have a puppy or like a dog running around. 'cause I think that'd be fun. But I don't, not for every day. Maybe just a couple times. And then the other days he could just, I don't know, I'm weird 'cause this is also like a [00:06:00] COVID dog that my parents retired and so they've just like, he just gets constant attention all the time.
So I'm also worried that he is not like he, what's he gonna do at home? Like, he's gonna be so sad. Oh, geez. Speaking from the point of view as someone who also loves constant attention. Yeah, I think it's gonna be tougher. I really empathizes with the dog. Well, you're gonna have to keep like, maybe some kind of daily log.
Could we get like a text message journal each morning a, a text dump to Chaz and I, uh, updating how the dog did and then we could maybe review some of that next week and maybe, maybe we'll come up with a business idea outta this endeavor. Yeah, that's true. Maybe, uh, sh you can bring Charlie home with you for like a, a, a day or two.
Oh, my kids would love that. Yeah. Love Charlie. Little Charlie kind of dog is Charlie. He's a golden doodle. He's the sweetest boy. They love a golden doodle. Uh, they did puppy yoga last weekend where you go do yoga with puppies. What? Yeah. I [00:07:00] dropped him off and then I walked around and grabbed a coffee and stuff.
I was like, uh, I was like, you know what? This feels like a you guys thing. Yeah. I'm gonna, I'm gonna go hang out. Um, the other thing I wanted to talk about fellas is, um, last week Dallas Price was on the show. Dallas, um, pinch hit the back half of the show for Philip who, uh, who bailed. Um, but then Dallas did a quick review of all of some previous pitches, including all of our own pitches.
And, um, Phil, you and I were probably left eating some serious crow because what Chaz's idea, the Aqua Desk was by a thousand miles. Dallas's. Favorite pitch of the season so far? That's in insane, which you've started a company. I've helped build a couple companies. We like to make fun of Chaz for sleeping in.
But I think what he's demonstrated is, uh, he's doing it [00:08:00] right. All my be uh, best ideas come to me either when I'm sleeping or about me laying down while I work. Uh, you keep a notebook by your beds when you wake up in the middle of the night, you write down your ideas. Yeah, exactly. You said Yeah, exactly.
You don't Well, no. I just, I have a note notes on my phone that are just filled with me rambling. Yeah. So you might need to take the aqua desk wide is what I'm saying. Jess, I'm thinking about it. I'm working on some prototypes right now. Can I, can I confess? Perfect. Something? Yeah. I still, you listened to last episode.
I know you, you've asked me like three times to listen to that episode so I could hear the feedback. I still haven't Yeah. Listened to the episode. Yeah. With, with Dallas. Um. So you may have to, it's gonna make this segment even funnier when you actually find out that he rated pip lips extraordinarily low.
No. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Big [00:09:00] time. Big time. I think it was a, he, I think he actually said, I hate this idea. No way. I think that was just exactly cool. Yeah. Uh, that's horrible. But, um, that's so funny. I've been using pip slips because I find it finally arrived and it's awesome. Right. You got your, uh, Cory's Organics, uh, sent you a little sampler, sent me a little sampler, and, uh, she sent me one that's just like a regular one, but the other one is like one of those glue stick ones that's like way too big.
But it has been so fun. I can't stop putting it on my lips. You have labels made up yet? Well, uh, it says pip slips in small on the inside of, of the big thing. So that's what I'd like. I think it counts. Oh yeah. Subtle branding is in right now. Yeah, gimme an example of subtle branding that's in right now.
Pip lips, pips Lips. The kids will be clamoring. Uh, yeah, no, he was, um, very [00:10:00] passionate about how much he disliked your idea. Yeah. I'm gonna have to go listen back. Yeah. That's so horrible. And he had, and he has, and he has a mustache too. So, and, and, and, and it wasn't even shoved, throwing you under the bus or anything.
He tried to kinda hype it up and tried to pump your tires a little bit. And he was just like, I hate this. He, he, well, yeah. Yeah. Some people are gonna fall behind the trend and that's okay. They can stay in the dust, you know? I don't care for it. But What did he like about the Awkward Desk? Like, there's so many guarantees.
Okay. Okay. No, no, no, no, no, no. We're not eating yet. You're not gonna let Dallas turn us against each other. Also, Phil, it's, it's not, you don't need to lash out at, you know, you need to tear other people down. That's not, I'm just saying, I'm saying it's a depressing pool, you know, everyone's just working away.
It's never a depressing pool. If there's an aqua desks in it. Yeah. Yeah. If you're in the pool, it's a good day. Okay. Well, I think we covered all the bases. Uh, disappointing, uh, Olympics [00:11:00] loss, uh, dog coming to live with Philip and, uh, Philip. The fact that Philip's no longer listening to our program, I think is a really important.
Uh, point there. I've been, I've been busy. I've been listening to too much Drake, to be honest. I just turns out, turns out episode 10 is where Philip checked it. I just, I just love Drake. You know what it is? Chaz actually, he's like, oh wait, that's the episode I was only in half of Yeah. Fucking way I'm listening to that one.
That's right. I listen to the parts I was in. Yeah. But not the parts that I love. I only listen to this show to hear myself. Yeah, that's right. He actually skips ahead of the parts where anybody else talks. Yeah. Well, every episode is for fulfilled is 27 minutes because it's just him talking. Yeah, that's right.
I, I run it through an AI and I say removal of the parts where I'm not saying words. I have to cut a different version of him. That's a Phil o Yeah. It has one listener, one download. It's just me. So that's been, I think a great, uh, uh, lesson for me is that Phil will not listen to our episodes. [00:12:00] If he's not in the entire duration of the episode, he's definitely not gonna listen to it.
Now that we, he found a weird, well, yeah, now that he knows that Dallas should just Yeah. That, that, uh, he ranked a solid last place on, on the review of all the ideas, then he's definitely not gonna listen to it. Well, I am gonna listen so that I know how mean I can be in some LinkedIn dms coming up to Dallas.
So you, so you can, you can establish beef with Dallas the next time you're in Winnipeg. You guys can, Hey Dallas, come out to the next tech Thursday. We'll have you on the panel and then like one minute before, just be like, oh, turns out, uh, turns out we don't need you. Or Hey, by the way, this is just the roast of Dallas Price and everyone just starts laying, tearing a strip off him.
Uh, yeah, that'd be great. Or so that I can actually make it big with Pip's lips and then just like every day spite. Yeah. Every day it'd be spike, spike, me, ducking, sending a photo to Dallas Spice being like, could have been you pops, fight was the, uh, secret fifth core value at season. It's true. So really that's true.[00:13:00]
Yeah, it's a great motivator. Yep. This is, this is exciting. It's our first podcast beef. I feel like you, you haven't really made it in podcasting until you're beefing with somebody. So this is Oh yeah. It's kind cool. Dallas, if you're listening to this kick rock, I could, I could tell Phil's been listening to a lot of Drake.
I was gonna say, is, is Dallas just been listing exclusively to Kendrick? Is that, uh, are we Yeah, Dallas is like our Kendrick Lamar. Yeah, that's right. You know, all, all my, which means, Phil, you are, I don't love your chances, is what I'm saying. Yeah, that's true. Me and she were both team Kendrick Lamar, just for the record.
Yeah. No one. You guys are team Connor Beck now. Like Jesus Christ. Stick to the, that's son. Stick to the Canadian roots and talk about Jesus Christ. Here's Courtney's episode. Oh, foreshadow, you're hosting Phil. Thank you. That is a hell of a segue, man. You're not rusty, even though you took a week off. [00:14:00] We back.
Take that Dallas. Uh, let's hear, let's hear you come up with a segue That clean. Um, yeah. We'll be right back with, uh, Courtney Ko. Phil just gave away part of her pitch, so I gave Courtney kind of the, um, Cole's notes, Kohl's notes. Courtney, I always do this. I know it sounds stupid when people have relatively easy names to pronounce, but I just wanna be sure because I have a very difficult thing to pronounce.
First name, last name. Can you give me your pronunciation please? Courtney Kos. Okay. You'd be shocked how many people don't know how to pronounce Koss. Yeah. Really? Yeah. Not a shock. Or spell it. You'd be shocked at how many people don't know how to pronounce Shoub. No, you wouldn't. No. You'd be like, yeah, that's a lot of people.
Well, you would be shocked at how many people can't pronounce Philip mine's. I be like, well, because you got a little Frenchy. A little Frenchy again. Oh, is it Felipe? Felipe Ryan. Felipe. Oh yeah. Walt Lucas thought my name was Courtney Cox for a long time. Oh really? Yeah. But to [00:15:00] be fair, Lucas is an idiot. No, he's delightful.
Um, okay. Uh, wow. This sounds great. Am I like good distance from the you? Yeah. You sound great. Yeah. You, you really do. Are we figuring this out? You tell that. I think we're figuring it out. How do I sound? Oh, yeah. My voice is so fucked. Fucked up. You still sound like you. I like to say pause. Mm-hmm. Pause.
What's great about that is now I say pause sometimes, but I keep me saying pause in. So I've totally defeated the entire purpose. Uh, and we're back here. Begin with Philip Burns, who's, uh, come back. If you remember last week, you just bailed out halfway through an episode this week. He's committed to staying committed to staying for the whole one.
Yeah. Come on now. So, uh, Courtney Coss is in the room. Courtney, before you introduce yourself, just to give you that context, Phil's been special guest, co-host for several episodes. We anointed him, co-host, literally next episode. He just bailed out halfway through. He's like, ah, I got something better to do.[00:16:00]
Yeah, man. So what were you doing? I was on a, I was on an important call, an important business call. Okay. Yeah. I mean, was it an, I mean, is business adjacent? No. Well, we didn't, um, yeah, I guess I can't talk. Uh, yeah, no, you can't talk about it. Um, okay. Was it because Tate's story went too long? You know what, what's great about that is you were referencing in real time what the last episode that you heard was mm-hmm.
Which was five episodes ago for us. Right. So I had forgotten a bit of the Tate's story to go on along, but shout out to Tate for being vulnerable and taking us on. Um, I think an absolute journey. If you haven't, please go back and listen to episode six. Um, I don't even know how to describe it. We, we really said three months ago at this point.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I, the timeline is so, was screwed up, was four years old. Um, Courtney, thank you very much for taking the time to join us. You and I have met briefly, you know, Phil a little bit better, so I'm gonna try to catch up. I feel like [00:17:00] the less cool kid in the room. Right. Story of my life actually, to be honest.
Um, Courtney, do you mind just telling us a bit about yourself? And you have a pretty cool startup. I think that's very unique, certainly in this market. So yeah, tell us a bit about yourself. Tell us about your company. That would be amazing. Yeah, absolutely. So most of my background is in fashion marketing.
I spent time in the US working in various capacities in fashion. I had my own boutique in Calgary, uh, 15 years ago. And during my graduate studies 2019 to 2021, I did my research dissertation, my MBA over in London on data-driven fashion development with no intention of starting a, uh, business. So it's using data to decide what kinds of products you wanna design, what kinds of products you should carry for fashion brands made me really interested in tech and in that space.
And then I just, in my own research realized there was a real gap in the market for using data to help fashions plan their collections and plan their ranges. So what [00:18:00] I did not know that was what you studied really. I just, I was. Usually when we ask people about their backgrounds, it doesn't go, oh, I a, just being in fashion is unique.
But then to do a post-grad degree in data and analytics relative to that industry, that might be the most academically accomplished thing we've heard on this podcast. And it's not close. Right? Yeah. I didn't even know if we, I mean, you did go to, I mean, you went to university. I mean, I did, but I did not do anything That Cool.
That is, um, wild. Okay. So walk us through, you had no intention, you said, of maybe starting something, but between 21 ish, you said 2021. And after. How did that evolve into what you're doing today? Yeah, so after I finished grad school, I got headhunted. So I worked for a retail tech company that was LA based.
You can say, you can say them, you can say their name. It's called Retail e-Commerce Ventures. Does anyone know [00:19:00] who? Um, that was the full name. Does anyone know who Ty Lopez is? Yeah, he was my boss. Ty Lopez directly was your boss? Yes, boss. I don't know who that is. Help me out here. Uh, he's got, he like reads a book a day, doesn't he?
And he, something like that. And where he used to. Super annoying guy on, on, on YouTube. Uh, but he is like that part out. He is like, nice, uh, like keep it in. I want him to know how I feel. Uh, no, but he, he has like nice cars that he always posts in front of. Right. Was he a good boss? He was interesting. Okay.
Very interesting Boss, which is a great way of saying, maybe not, I just, can you repeat the name of the company one more time for me? Retail e-Commerce Ventures. So what Ty was doing at the time was he was buying retail companies that were going outta business, going bankrupt, and he was putting them online, like he bought Pure One Imports, a host of other brands, videos, American Apparel.
Was that one of them? I don't think so. Okay. I know they went through something like that too. Yeah, I'm just saying brand names now. I, yeah, I knew you were disappointed that it was a bit of a complex name and not like Reitman's. It reminds me of, there's a Simpsons episode where [00:20:00] Homer names is internet company, something like Comu Global Mega Hyper Net.
Mm. That's what that name reminded me of. It's a little bit shorter, but yeah, he had a lot of names for all the different verticals he was working on. What were you doing for him? I was a business analyst and product manager and he was essentially trying to create a competitor to Shopify. Wow. Whoa. Mm-hmm.
And, and uh, at what point then do you go off and start. Approval. Um, well that was my dream job. I was super excited about that. I got laid off. Mm-hmm. Oh, shoot. Yeah, and I was so disappointed. And so this was about six months after my graduate studies and it was just outta COVI. So I'd missed a lot of the in-person learning from my graduate studies because it was over in Europe and there was a course I really wanted to take, which was based in Milan at the business school called Boone, the most Interesting and so origin story ever.
Yeah. I decided not to take that course because I just started this new cool job. I didn't wanna take time off. Four days before that course started, I was laid off. So I called the school and I said like, [00:21:00] can I fly to Milan on Friday? Yeah. And do this course. And they're like, sure. Sick. Yeah. So I had the worst flight ever to Milan.
I like, I think I went backwards, like I went to Warsaw and then to Milan. It was crazy. But I got to spend seven days at Boone meeting fashion merchandisers of brands like Fermo. I got to go to the Ferrari Museum. It was like, it was all luxury. It was all like the business of luxury. So not just fashion, many other parts of luxury.
And I feel like that was one of those moments where you're so disappointed that you got laid off, right? Like the dream job laid off. Right. Go to this course. But that course. Introduce me to so many people that have consulted on what I'm doing now and have helped me so much of your, it's one of those serendipitous things.
Get laid off kids. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like I've, I, I would love a little shakeup like that in my life. You know, I've, instead of thinking, are you suggesting you wanna get let go from this podcast? Yeah, [00:22:00] that's right. He just leaves. He doesn't need to go. He just got permanent, his permanent role. Um, that is amazing.
So you're, you're going through that journey. You go to Milan, you met all these people, then the company itself. So what does the company do? How did you come up with the idea? What was the moment you knew you were gonna start it? Uh, I came home from that, so this would've been early 2022. I was just looking at the space, you know, fashion and tech.
Very few companies at the time. I had some really promising interviews with some what are kind of considered competitor products now. Yep. Um, but those didn't work out. And just on the side of my desk, I started looking at like, what would it look like if I built my own platform to analyze data for fashion brands.
And probably the only reason I'm doing that now is I was so naive, I thought it was gonna be really easy. Like I could build something at six months and Right. Wouldn't need a lot of money. Um, but yeah, it turns out it takes a lot more time and money to do these things, so, so cool. Can you, for those of us maybe, who would not [00:23:00] understand the fashion industry hypothetically.
Obviously I'm pretty pleasant. Uh, give us like the two or three lines for the lay person. Like what does your platform do? We're working towards collection planning, so what we're doing is we're integrating so many different points of data that right now fashion brands just have disperse into different systems and they're not using any kind of ai.
So they have trend data, like they want to know what's going on externally from their business. They have customer behavior data, they have of course sales data. They have the actual products and what they look like, which we use computer vision to pull those attributes like fabric, material, color, style, et cetera.
Anyway, to describe a piece of clothing really. And so we're bringing all those data points together so that they can make their strategic decisions in one system. Wow. So they're probably, Phil, somebody's getting all the info from this podcast about all the sweaters you wear. Yeah, I was gonna say, I was like, could you turn this against someone and you could call this.[00:24:00]
You could call it the fashion police and just be like that. That's what it's from. 2016. Yeah. Those pants are outdated. That's ugly. I think what the world needs more on social media is people ripping on each other for the choices they make about how they look. Okay. That's really, really cool. Uh, and it, it's so far away from me, from what I know.
I find this very, very interesting. Okay, so you launched that company. How's it been going a couple years in It's been good. I mean, it's, it takes a long time. We just, we didn't really have a product honestly, until about November. Um, we started seriously building about last December, so it's taken almost a year to do that.
And right now we're like, we're going to market and you know, we spent the last 10 months or so talking to brands, doing pilots, getting inputs, getting some of those initial customers and users. So right now it's go to market time and I mean, right now the response is really good, but it's a ton of work, as you know.
So. Yeah. This is my favorite part. When you start to figure [00:25:00] it out and then you have to figure out how to sell it. Yeah. Um, amazing. So, uh, to change gears, unless Phil, you have more fashion related commentary or questions, well, maybe you could repurpose your platform to make people look worse. Come on now.
I've never thought of that, but yeah, you should. You should have asked. You should have, uh, gotten it to tell you how hot this room was gonna be. Yeah. I might need to take my sweater off. So, hot Bill always does about 10 minutes into every episode. That's a, that's actually now that we're away from the lapel mics, you can take your sweater off more easily.
There you go. That's right. I forgot to wear an undershirt today. That would be a great, like a, another, another practical application is like, tell me what to wear. Not 'cause people do that based on the weather. Mm-hmm. But if you know where I'm going, right. Tell me what to wear. Yeah. Layer me up. There's a flood of apps like that.
What? Yeah. Oh my God. Yeah. So many. Okay. And they all have their own theory on how. We decide how to dress and what to wear and everything. Right. Interesting. So bad idea, Sheb. I mean, [00:26:00] yeah, just a lot of competition. Hey, dummy. That's been done already. Yeah. Fair enough. Um, well Courtney, thank you again very much for coming in, for explaining to your backstory.
I think it's really cool that you kind of just went through this journey and then at the end of it were like, you took this, this what could be construed as a, a negative thing to happen in your life and turned it into, Hey, I started a company. I mean, that's kind of incredible. So cool. Um, now all that being said, we're not here to talk about your actual startup.
Do you have an idea you would like to pitch us today? I do. Okay. I know a little bit about it and I'm already sweaty, so let's go. Yeah. Yeah. I don't even remember when I came up with it, but I've had it for a while. Okay. Let's hear it. Nobody's doing it. Great. Not like your stupid idea. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
We sell prayers.[00:27:00]
Okay. Tell me what, tell me what I got No follow up questions. 75 sauces. That was an incredible pitch. Hey, kids out there. That's how you pitch an idea. Well, okay. We sell prayers. Mm-hmm. I mean, I'm, I don't even want to ask this question, but, uh, explain please. Well, it's very early. There's a few ways we could do, it's, yeah.
We could have real people praying right. And sending video evidence of their prayers. Yeah. So you're outsourcing, you're saying, I don't have time to pray. Or maybe, maybe. Okay, keep going. Or some, something's really specials coming up and you don't have enough people to, you need a little extra juice. You need more people, more prayers.
Yeah. Or in my personal case, you know, I'm not sure Right. If, if maybe I'd just like to to hedge a little Right. Cover my bets. Okay. Exactly. Okay. Or we could have AI agents [00:28:00] praying
and now, oh God, this is gonna get bad. Are the AI agents play praying to uh, uh, human god or robot? God. Oh God, I never thought of that. Yeah, they're praying to Sam Altman
please. Sam Altman makes you pass the test. And that feels like a bad alman. I told you it was early. Okay. But, uh, alright. So potentially you got, you got, it's like a two-sided marketplace where you're like, Hey, I need some more, I need some more prayers. Mm-hmm. Somebody wanna help pray for me. Yeah. And then, and then people can take those prayers and then they can make a little bit of cash just by, just by saying, you know, by outsourcing the prayers or like, or doing the actual praying you're saying can make a little extra money.
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Instead of, instead of, um, so redistribution of wealth [00:29:00] opportunity. Yes. Gig. The gig economy. It takes on praying a dollar a prayer, I think to start. Okay. Oh, that's so great. Yeah. That, that, I mean, I would do that. Yeah. Right. Uh, I'm gonna spend $20 if people pray that more people listen to this podcast, you could be our pilot user.
Let's see if it works. Well, if there is a God I'm in real trouble. This is you. Such a funny idea. This is such a funny idea. Uh, sorry. Continue. We keep cutting you off. Is there anything else you'd like to add? Open to subscription models at some point? Yeah. Okay. But I think we just start with a dollar repair.
Very simple. Yeah. I like, just like, like a usage based model here. Mm-hmm. Because, um. I would like, uh, to trust but verify that these prayers are being right. Are being done. Right. Yeah. I like the model where it's like, I don't have to think about it. Just like take $20 and like someone's gonna pray for me.
Yeah. A few times. Do you again, I'm not even sure how to ask this question. Okay. Do you [00:30:00] think the effectiveness of the prayer, if we assume that the prayer, and I wanna make sure I peel to everybody across the spectrum mm-hmm. If we assume that the prayer is going to be effective mm-hmm. Do we feel like the effectiveness of the prayer is muted if you're doing it on behalf of somebody else, but people pray for other people all the time.
See, I was teeing me up there. I knew the answer. Yeah, you're exactly right. Like, yeah. Parents, pray for children. Children pray for uhhuh. Mostly toys, but also other stuff. Yeah. Pray for people we don't know all the time. Yeah, that's true. People are always saying, I'm praying for them. That's the thing people say And, and what about, what denomination?
Like is there is that, I mean this is gonna make sho I know this is gonna make you uncomfortable. Oh my God. But I guess we're not doing any sponsor reads on this episode. Can you, can you like select, can you like I want someone to pray to the God I believe in. Yeah. Well I'm a business person, right? So I [00:31:00] think that it's best to target.
The Christian right first. Okay. I've done a lot of research on their buying power. Right. American, Christian, right? Yeah, yeah. The trad wives start there. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And so and so you just say, go to them, it's fully marketed to them. Target them. Target them, and then, and then you can build. So do you have a name for, for this app?
Yes. It's called Jesus Plus. Jesus Plus. I've already visualized the animation as well. What? Talk to me, talk me through it. Like, Jesus, and then it's cross. Yeah. And then it slides down. Oh, plus sign, right? The X axis goes down, the xxi goes down to the middle. Yeah. To the middle. So it's a cross and then a plus sign, and then a plus sign.
Yeah. Jesus plus, yeah. Yeah. Pray for me, baby. Oh. So I love that. Needs to pray for me right now. Um, I would just say from a denominational perspective, I actually think I would personally mm-hmm. Go the other way. I know there's a, there's a tendency, we advise startups to niche down. Mm-hmm. I [00:32:00] actually like startups who don't niche down.
Okay. I like everybody. I like opening up the aperture horizontally. 'cause I think given that this is a two-sided play, I think if you can have anybody come in and then they can guide their denominational preference, right. I think this thing could explode. I think if you niche down too much, you're gonna have like a slow growth path.
Mm. I think if you open it up, yeah. Boom. You go. How specific do you get? Right. Well, I, yeah, I don't know. Can I talk to you about a use case? Possibly? Yes. And, and again, I'm so shocked because you're not gonna like this, but like you talked about hedging your bets. First of all, I love this idea. I love this episode.
I have no idea if we're ever gonna, if it's ever gonna go out. No. Come on. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. Well, you've killed my animation now. We can't use the cross. No, we can still use it. Everybody. You have to, you, you have like just different product lines for different people. Yeah. You can market it to different people.
Yeah, totally. But you're talking about hedging, hedging your bets. I would love to like, like if I could use this app and be like, um, I'm gonna put $20 down and I would [00:33:00] like, I would like one Muslim prayer and I would like one Christian prayer Your client prayer roulette. But I'm like, I, like, I, you know, um, yeah.
You personally don't have a horse in the race, right? I, yeah. If I could say it that way. So you're like, well, I don't know, so I might as well get one vote in from, to all the guys. I actually think that's an incredibly enlightened way to approach this. Who am I? I don't know. Yeah. I, I think I have a lot of answers about a lot of things I don't know about this one.
Right. I don't know if there is a God, I dunno. If there's not a God, I don't know if there is what God wants to hear from any of us. So in that state of, let's call it confusion. Yeah. Covering your bets I think is not the worst thing in the world. I might pay a hippie to, to put a flower under a tree for me.
But maybe we could finally figure out which one works the best. Yeah, that's true.
And for, if you could close the analytical loop to say, [00:34:00] uh, hey, you know, I'm a, I'm a sports fan. My number one sports team has lost in the Stanley Cup final two years in a row. So would I buy prayers across every denomination, hands down if it meant that the orders had a better chance of winning the Stanley Cup?
Yes. In a heartbeat. So. Based on, you know, where I place my bets. Maybe there's an iterative, this is like prediction markets. Yeah, that's, that's what I, it's like betting for prayer. It's like betting. Yeah. It's all of a sudden like, it's like poly market where it's like, do you want, do you want the Christian God because he's, he's trending down right now.
Like those, those prayers are cheap because they're not coming true. But the, the ones over here, they're coming true. So you better, better place. You gotta play some bets over here. It's like a prediction market. Yeah. So fun. I actually think, and, and, uh, I think there's an opportunity, you know, like, um, I think, uh, church attendance, uh, religious tend [00:35:00] across the board has, has waned.
Yeah. Over the years. I think that's an in, uh, inarguable data point. I think this could maybe start bringing people back into the fold. 'cause I'll tell you like again, I don't know about the religious part. One thing I do really appreciate about. Church is the community part. Mm-hmm. Right. I think having, right, we're, we're all looking for community and connection.
Maybe this is a way to, you know, to bring that, uh, bring that back together by, uh, hey, I put all this, uh, I put all these bets on these different prayers. This feels like it's paid back. Maybe I'm gonna start going to that temple, that church right, that synagogue. You know, maybe it's time. Yeah. Maybe we can actually bring people a little closer to each other while we're gambling on their religious preferences.
Maybe. Maybe. Yeah. Maybe you put out a call for prayer and then these churches just start, um, they, they want to appease you so badly and so they make your prayers come [00:36:00] true. Well, it could be kind of like Uber, like you could be become a prayer. A prayer. Yeah. You go to the Yep. Right. You're the one getting a cut of the prayers.
This is a two sided marketplace, right? Yeah. Yeah. And then you could also be like, yo, I want, um. No landline. Know about the Yeah. Yeah. They're like, oh, I'm, I'm gonna pay extra. If you're going to the Wailing Wall, I'm gonna pay extra for you to place a little note in there. You know? Yes. Yeah. You know, that's Of course.
I also think too, you mean if you are not, if you were say, an atheist, but you still believe in vibes. Mm-hmm. Part of the platform would be like, Hey, just I need good, you know, people always say, sending you good vibes. Yes. You can also just pick this, send good vibes option. And then the people would just be like, Hey, two minutes a day.
I just gotta be like, Hey, I hope, uh, things really work out for Phil when he goes to buy a new sweater. Buy a new sweater. [00:37:00] I hope he gets the right sweater. Sending you good vibes and you light some incense. Yeah. Uh, I mean, yes, there are a lot of landmines here. This idea. I do actually really love the idea though.
It's in the execution. You just have to, you know? Yeah. I think you, you can be respectful of what people believe in, do the right thing and also be a capitalist. I think those, those three things can all be true. People would pay for this, right? Oh, I ab what to find out. Absolutely. Think people would pay for this.
This is like maybe actually a really good idea. I think it's inarguable that if you were like, Hey, I need more positive spiritual energy. Yeah. I think a lot of people would pay for that true sound marketplace. Pray for me one line about what you want someone to pray for a dollar a prayer. You're taking 20 cents off that.
Yeah. [00:38:00] Boom. That's so good. I don't have any other follow up questions. I actually really. I, I, you're sold. I mean, at the outset I was like, I don't know about this idea. I mean, I don't even know if we can talk about it. Um, I really like it. Yeah. Thank you. I don't know what's not to like about it other than people might say, Hey, listen, if you gotta outsource this, then you don't believe.
And if you don't believe, then maybe it's not gonna work for you anyway. But I think that at the outset, what you outlined is, Hey, I could still believe I just need a little, a little more, little more, uh, it's like a sailboat. I just need a little more wind in my Right, right, right. So I'm still praying you're not, you know, I'm still praying.
I just need more people to pray on my behalf. I need that energy into the universe. What if you like, what if it's, what if all of a sudden we've unle [00:39:00] unleashed, like. Um, a hack in the system, you know, like I, I don't really believe, but what if all of a sudden people who are like super users get everything they've ever wanted in life, you know?
That's amazing. That's amazing. Exactly. It's actually like a movie script. No, I'm serious. This is a film that needs to be made because I could totally see this being like, okay, the, um, the dystopian endpoint of the intersection of capitalism and where we maybe are in the world is like prayer farms.
Basically. People are just praying for people and then the people can afford those have incredible lives and Yes, so it's just all these billionaires and God is just sitting up there like, what the hell are you? You ruined, ruined the system. He's trying to unpack it, but there's so much, um, infrastructure already in place, right?
To support people praying. It's very difficult to make those changes. So [00:40:00] from God's perspective. From God's perspective. Right. So now this is, I would watch this film. Yeah. Interesting. God's like, God's like our mail room is overflowing. These get, I'm, I'm a little nervous about insulting anyone. Now gonna be a lot of criticism.
Right? That's okay. Yeah. We can deal with that. But, you know, sometimes a little controversy doesn't help you from a, I mean, we'll find out when this podcast hits the street. But a little, a little, a little controversy. Doesn't hurt you. Yeah. A little controversy. I mean, so how many, how many salsas do you give this sha According how many salsas?
Out of how many? Out of how many? 75. 75 We score. Why did you pick 75? Uh, yeah, we,
we implemented this on episode one. Episode pitched an idea called SALSA score. I did hear that. Yeah. And then, um. We, I think Phil just said, Hey, we should score based on salsas and then [00:41:00] we arbitrarily pick the number 75. Okay. I think it's 'cause it's so stupid. It's funny. Um, a lot of what we do here is just being dumb and uh, subsequently laughing about it after and realizing that no one else laughs about it 'cause they can't follow the thread of why we're laughing about it from a salsa scoring perspective.
Right. Okay. I'm gonna divide this into three categories 'cause I like to overcomplicate things like 25. 25. 25. Yeah. 25 is just the idea itself. 25 is the go-to-market opportunity. Mm. And I added a new category with this 1 25. How liable are you to get canceled? Mm, that's a good one. Yeah. So the 25. For the idea and the concept itself and the viability of it as a business.
23 cut the go to market opportunity. I mean, listen, your one line pitch is, Hey, would you like someone to pray for you? Who's gonna say [00:42:00] no? I also love a dollar a prayer. Like pricing is just perfect. Yeah. Perfect. 99 I'd go 99 cents. Yeah. People like nines, it's like a dollar store, but for prayers. Um, okay, so like, I'm gonna go like 2020 outta 25 on the go to market.
Mm. The how it will be received and how it'll be received by specifically from the people that you need to fill both sides of this marketplace is an open question. Be honest. It's okay. Well, I don't know. I actually don't know. I, it could be that I'm, they could love it. They could love it. Mm. I think, I think it's, um, I'm gonna give, I'm gonna go right down the middle 'cause I think there's only two options there.
People love it. But they absolutely hate it. So I'm gonna go, uh, 13 outta 25. That's not that bad. So that takes me to 43, 56 outta 75. Mm-hmm. Mm. Pretty good. That's good. That's good. What did everybody else score? Oh, they're all over the place. Yeah. Uh, some people, we effectively gave a zero, [00:43:00] um, roughly some perfect scores, some perfect, couple perfect scores.
Really? Wow. 56 is a pretty good score. Do you wanna invest? I might, to be honest, like how much like I, this to me is 75 salsas. I would give money right now to see it in the world. Exists in the world. And just like someone. Earnestly for a month move down to Alabama, I guess. Yes. And, and pedal or, and just like, or anywhere.
Or anywhere. And just be like, 'cause I think you can solve, the other side is easy. Like you can solve the other side of like, people taking this work. Like that's a fun part of it. But can you get people actually like on the app paying for it? I think you could. Jesus Plus I think this thing would rip. If you believe that you praying makes a difference, then how can you not believe that more people praying for that same thing would make a difference.
Yeah. [00:44:00] And I think people would pay more than a dollar. Like they would pay a lot more, but, but we, we, but we're for the people. Yeah. Because people do that all the time. People, uh, they, they give the, they give the money in the church. Mm-hmm. Yep. You know? Mm-hmm. Over $200 billion a year in the US Well, excuse.
And there's no taxes on that. Exactly. There's no taxes on that money. 2 billion, 200 billion. 200. Oh my God. That's like, that's like larger than every company in Canada, Canada. That's insane. Mm-hmm. Do we have to pay taxes because we're Canadian? No, but, but because we're like a church adjacent, if you, you, I don't know, do we register as a church?
I think maybe. Yeah, that's what this company registers. A, a non-profit church. A church, which is a thing. Um, I think it'd be tough, should we call a lawyer? But it also like, it, [00:45:00] it, uh, puts a cap on your upside, honestly. Right? I don't think so. I think it, I don't think so. I think it might like totally remove any cap.
I have a good friend of mine who's a lawyer. Um, I could text him on the air. Yeah, text him on the air. I'm not gonna do that. Hey, so anyway, we're thinking about starting this, uh, thing where people pray for each other. Do we have to pay taxes? Yeah. I think it's easier in the US as well. Yeah. Well, you know what?
On this show we like to encourage Canadian entrepreneurship. Oh, so, you know Canadian with an American subsidiary. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. How do you like this? Y Combinator? Yeah. Yeah. Take that. Oh, you're, you're not gonna like Canadian companies. Yeah. How about Jesus? Plus maybe, maybe to incorporate down there, uh, uh, again, very topical reference.
That will make no sense when this episode comes out. 'cause this will be out of the news cycle. That's Well, yeah. Yeah, that's right. But man, this is so, I'm, I'm actually all in. Like, I genuinely think you could, I have to say this would [00:46:00] cook. I thought I was not gonna like this idea. Mm. Because I knew a little bit about it.
I have really come around. Because I, I think we were maybe, maybe I was worried that people would feel like we're making fun of them. Maybe there's a bit of that, but actually I'm not. I'm like, listen, if you pray, that's your thing. Right. I'm not gonna tell you what your thing is. Or the same shirt sometimes if a sports team won the previous game, like, who am I to judge people on?
Right. What, what makes sense or doesn't make sense. So if you pray and you believe in it, I think you would want more people on the team. Mm-hmm. That's all I'm saying. Yeah. I think this is so good. I wonder if you do like the, from a go to market perspective, if you do go what you're saying where you niche down, so you have Jesus plus, and then you also have like, like almost like completely different names and message.
Yeah. I think you definitely, it's the same thing. It's a, to tie it back to salsa score, remember Sebastian was like, you can't just have food score, right? You need salsa score, uh, chip score. I think it, [00:47:00] it's that I think you brand each of these directly to the denomination that you're targeting under an overall.
Pray for me umbrella. Pray for me. Umbrella. I love that. Yeah. You got Jesus Plus you got Buddha. I like Vibes Plus. Vibes Plus is good. Yeah. It should be everything. Plus everything. Plus, yeah. Allah Plus what? Um, yeah. I like this idea. I'm uncomfortable. I want the audience to know I'm uncomfortable, but I really, I'm not.
Yeah, really do like it. Courtney, how much money do you need to get this thing off the ground? Oh, I don't know. I don't think you need that much though. Like what? Like what? Like 20 K? No. What? Probably you need it, you just need the platform. You just need, we could vibe code this up in lovable to more.
Exactly. It could honestly be, it could just be. Ah, oh my God. Just to start MVP. Oh my gosh. It's just like a Google form that like is, is and on the back end we're like, Hey, we'll execute these Crash. You're thinking 2023. It is just as much work to build an [00:48:00] app and lovable now as it is to build a Google form.
Oh really? It has to look nice and yeah, be easy to, okay. Big time. Okay, so, okay. Wow. First of all, that was, that was insulting, but humbling. And, and maybe I'll change my ways, but, um, I know you are, you refuse to acknowledge that AI is gonna provide you any value in your life. Well, no. I didn't know that about you, Phil.
Yes, I'm a little, uh, yeah, I'm a little bearish. Interesting. On ai. I do like it, you know, for some things like what? Prayers Yeah. We're de Yeah, the AI bots doing the prayers. I think unequivocally I can say that's a bad idea. Well, maybe that's version two. I don't think robots, I think, again, not. Necessarily a person who knows this intimately, I do not believe that a robot preying on your behalf will move the needle.
We don't know if you lie. I can't believe that that's the case. Yeah, but what if, what if, um, this, this is like an, like an infinity money hack. [00:49:00] What if the real prayers start like really helping people? And then Sam Altman sees this and he goes, well, our LLMs. Should also be paying for prayers and so we can get robots to, to execute those prayers.
Are we like become like tvb kind of thing? Human, yeah. We're like human in the loop, but we're flipping it. So AI needs us to pray for it. Or like Chick-fil-A. How much budget would Chick-fil-A allocate to prayers? Good Chick-fil-A should have like a $200,000 budget annually just to have people pray for them because they, they, they're closed on Sundays.
That's the kind of org they are over there. Like they would eat the shit up. Have you guys ever watched like Righteous dem stones? Remember when they created the prayer pods? Could put a prayer pod like in Chick-fil-A. Oh, what's, I'm sorry, what's a prayer pod? It's like a pod and you can go and pray in it.
Oh, mm-hmm. Those are [00:50:00] brilliant. 'cause those are also would have non-denominational Yeah. Practical applications. Yeah. Yeah, maybe We're never getting Chick-fil-A on as a sponsor tell you that much. Well, we don't need them as a sponsor. We need them as a client. Mm-hmm.
I'll tell you one thing though. This room feels like it's hell. We're in a very hot room, folks, as many of you know, today is the hottest. When I walked into this room, it was 27 degrees. 27, and I think it's getting hotter. It's getting a degree hotter by the minute I'm getting, I'm getting personally much warmer.
It's God saying, don't you dare. That might be it. Actually, I thought it was just me being uncomfortable. I think God would be happy about this. Yeah. Why wouldn't he be? Or she or she or they? You know them. Yeah, there could be a lot of them, but what I mean, what if God is just capitalism? Whoa. Then, then, then they would love it.
[00:51:00] She would love it. Yeah. They would be happy. The good things are happening to everybody if they finally figured it out that the economy is flowing. Yeah. Yeah. This is the utopia that AI is gonna create, right? That's what we said. No, ai. This is the first this company's be built ai.
We are bringing people back. Uh, well, Courtney, I don't even know what to say. That was almost a perfect idea. That's also incredibly imperfect. Yeah. Why did it only get 56 or whatever? I think, because I'm just so conflicted. Mm-hmm. I think your palms are so sweaty. Building in a vacuum. I'm probably with Phil, it's pretty high.
It's pretty high score. It has a lot of the things I like about a business. It's a social benefit. It's a two-sided marketplace. You can, you can bring more money back to the people. It connects people to [00:52:00] other people. I, I pitched a couple episodes ago this dating app called Arranged. Oh, I never heard that.
Okay. Well I sent you, it's like it's not out yet. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What is it? Uh, arranged is basically where it's a dating app, but instead of you, yourself being the, the matcher, your friends match you with people. Yeah. It's another case case of outsourcing something that could help your happiness Yeah.
To someone else. Yeah. But it's kind of similar because there's, um, I forget what sort of culture, but there is a culture that exists in the world where if you, if you set up three people to be married Yeah. You are guaranteed a spa in heaven. Oh. And we are apply that same guarantee to our app range where it's, if you, if three of your matches.
As an arranger get, uh, married. Yeah, you get into heaven. So we gamified this, this app. That's amazing. Right. [00:53:00] And it's sort of, it's sort of similar, like, you know, I think, I think yeah, you could, you know, I don't know if you can make that guarantee, but I'm, I'm like, you know, it's kind of a, I mean, prove it.
Prove it doesn't work. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. When are you gonna sue us? You know? Not in the material world. So
our companies, I'm sure there's some synergies there. Yeah, there's some, there certainly is. My grandma would pay for me to get a girlfriend every single day. Like, she would just be like, yo good's, get some prayers in there. And, and would she pay for someone to pray for you to get a girlfriend? Yeah, she would.
That's what I'm saying. She would pay and then she would also pay more to, to have a couple if, yeah. Or no for a couple to set me up? No, she would pay more if, if the girl was French, so. Oh, okay. Yeah, it'd be like a bonus. Are you French? She's French. I'm French too, but, okay. Not as French as she is. Okay. It would be like, that would be like a [00:54:00] $5 prayer.
So highly specific kind of, I'm just saying that I think, I think the use case is, I think you need to work on the name. I don't know about arranged. Ooh. Oh, you don't know why? It sounds like escorts. Oh, it sounds like escorts kind of does. Yeah. But I thought people think it's more like arranged marriage.
Oh, hmm. Well, I guess my mind went the other way. It really did. Yeah, it did go to a much different place. Uh, Phil, you got any more thoughts about this one? No, I think this is great. This is so, I'm excited. We are gonna, let's go, let's build this thing. Like, I hope we got 20 minutes. You guys have a working prototype.
By the time this episode hits the streets in nine months, I think we might have to, like, I, I don't know if the world, if the world gets this before you build it. It. They might go build it and it might put them huge. Exactly. You have to hurry. I actually think this is a pretty easy thing to validate, which is have you ever asked anybody to pray for you?
Would you pay for them to pray for you? Think about the gift. [00:55:00] Like, Courtney, if you're, if my birthday's coming up, you could, instead of, instead of buying me a present 15, you could, you could give me a note that said, I bought 20 pairs for you. Yeah. A for this wedding. I like that. What were the 20 prayers that she bought for you?
Do? Yeah, like do I have to say what they're for or do you pick? Oh, great question. Yeah. I think you, oh, it's like, it's like it great for the French girlfriend, or, I'd like to see a, a sprinkling of both actually. Like, I would like to presume what I should pray for you for and then also let you pick some options, right?
Yeah. Hey, I pray, I, I, I put out 15 prayers in the world for you. About five. You can pick. Yeah. Yeah. Here's the other 10. What about a registry for a wedding? You've just read my aunt baby registry as well. Yes. Yeah. Weddings and babies don't buy us anything, but mm-hmm. Place a place a couple bets of how tall, like, pray that they'll be over six foot, this baby.
Mm-hmm. So they'd be mm-hmm. And not lose their hair. A basketball player. Uh, I actually, so brilliant. I can't believe how [00:56:00] much I love this last part, which is the gift giving of prayer and the registry for prayer. Do you want me rescore it now? I, and it's a great way too, the number keeps going up. My number keeps going up.
Like, it was like a 30 when we started talking. Then it went to 40, mid fifties. I think it's probably in the sixties now. Because if you go to someone's birthday party and you're like, um, what did you get me? And they're like, and, and you say, oh, I prayed for you that you seem cheap. Exactly. Yeah. But I purchased prayers on your behalf.
How would we package them? Like, would they exist just on the internet or do you get like a gift card? You know what it would be? Mm-hmm. I think so. I once got a friend of mine for my birthday got me, um, you know, cameo got me a cameo of one of, uh, the, the orders play by play announcer saying Happy birthday to me.
I think you would, the video of that person praying for you would be the delivery. I don't like that. I don't think I would want that video. I think there should be some ledger that's [00:57:00] like, yes, this pair was executed. Oh, we used the blockchain. No, now everybody's in, we got, uh, ai, we got blockchain, we got faith.
You know, we're checking a lot of boxes. Boxes here. Well, you can pick that too, like maybe some people prefer AI or prefer a real person. Yeah. No, I'm drawing a hard line personally against the AI doing the prayer for me. It's such a bad omen. Yeah, I don't love it. I don't love what that says about. Yeah.
Anything God is, it's just hallucinating things that it's asking for you. Yeah. Yes. I, I end up with a, a, a Spanish girlfriend. Yeah. And your grandmother. My grandma's like, this is no help. Your grandmother's apoplectic. She's like, I had one request. And you're like, uh, grandma ma, I'm still very happy. And she's like, no.
Was that your measurement? Yeah. Was that, I thought that was a little whimsical. Like Phil, right? Oh, grandma ma. Um, French Phil. [00:58:00] Yeah. A little, a little jaunty dance. I don't even know what else to say about this idea. You sweeped, you, you cleaned up. I am increasingly becoming more and more convinced. I'm glad.
It's a really good idea. Yeah. Well, we have to do this. I'm gonna have to heavily edit this episode, but yes. This, that's fine. This, uh, this is a good idea. I'm so curious what you're gonna take out. Good to, just gonna even start with, Hey, hi Courtney. Thanks for joining us and it's gonna end with, that was a really good idea.
It'll be a 92nd episode, but we have to build it before this comes out. 'cause otherwise someone will take it, someone will take it in the office Friday at 4:00 PM mm-hmm. We got a little mini hackathon. Cool. That's where we started working on Arranged. Arranged. And so we, we can deprioritize that because I do love this idea way more this idea.
So come back on Friday. This idea, I mean, I love the arrangement idea, but I, I think this idea has broader appeal. Like, again, back to what I said earlier about niching down, arrange, you're already niched down to people who are looking for a relationship and who have couples friends. [00:59:00] Right. That's, you know, you're narrowing the Sure.
The field. Yeah. Prayers and hopes and prayers. 'cause it could be, again, you could be. A religious and still subscribe to the service for the vibes. For Vibes Plus. Vibes Plus is actually my favorite part of this thing. Mm-hmm. Vibes Plus just like, Hey, I just a dollar for you to send me good vibes all day.
I'd do that. Also, it's like, you know when you hear someone who something horrible happens in their life. Mm-hmm. Right? You hear bad news and, and what you, and you know that there's nothing you can really do for them. Yeah. Just you're sitting there hopeless, just sending your vibe. Yeah. And, and so what you do is you send a pretty pathetic text.
Mm-hmm. That's like, mine are really good. I think about mine. You're you're, you're in my thoughts and prayers. Yeah. Right. That's something like that that you do, but this, this one you could say, I've bought you 10 prayers. Yeah. Yeah. And there's like a lot. I've put my money where my mouth is. Exactly. Mm-hmm.
That's so horrible. But I, I paid 20 bucks or a hundred bucks. Yeah. And it makes [01:00:00] you feel better as the receiver. You've done something. Yeah. Yeah. This is making us sound like horrible people. What if they're like, you could have just given me that money instead. Mm. Yeah, you could have, you could have Maybe I could've got like some food delivered to my house.
Yeah. But like, it depends what they're into. Right? But, but you're delivering soul food, which I would argue, I think we're gonna be making so much money that we could have a, doesn't matter. Yeah, it doesn't matter. We could have the piece of this that's like, oh, okay, you didn't want your prayers fine. Like, we'll give you the money back.
Like, we'll give you the money. I think the market is so massive, and I agree with you. The market is so massive that you could have a portion of the, the market that was like, ah, I don't like this. And you'd just be like, yeah, we'll just refund you. Or, or, I know, actually, I think I've realized what you do.
You say you send them an a pre templated text saying, we firmly believe that the prayers are gonna return far more than the $20 in your life. Are you sure you want a refund? Are you sure? Yeah, exactly. But is the [01:01:00] implication there that you can pull a prayer back once you've, once it's been made already?
Oh, I don't know. It's probably like unsubscribing to crave. You gotta go through like eight. I don't think screens, I don't think you can pull it back after it's out there. Maybe, maybe, maybe then we get into the, the world. But if you get a refund and someone has to send out bad vibes, that's what I was saying.
I was thinking I was gonna say because if, if, if you predicate this like refund on, you can pull the prayer back, that actually blows up your entire business model. Because like if I paid the person make the prayer and then immediately they're just like on their own personal time. Like, actually Phil, I don't care if the Jets make the playoffs.
Right. So, so you, you can't pull a prayer back once it's out in the world. Okay. Ergo. If you offer a refund, it has to be just, Hey, we're just giving you a refund. Yeah. You can't actually attach any And no negativity. No negativity on the platform. Okay, fine. Oh yeah. You can't prayer. You can't pray for something bad to happen to someone else.
Yeah. [01:02:00] Oh, I like this. Now I'm really on board. Yeah. I really like this now. And you know what, and you know, you only get to pray for personal enrichment once. Oh, that's good. You know, like, it's like you get three wishes. This is getting way too complicated and all three can't be, I want to be a billionaire.
Yeah. You know what I mean? So you can't just continually pray for I want more money. Oh, you can only pray otherwise you're out for yourself three times. You're No, no. I'm saying, oh, you mean financial? I can't just consistently all the time buy prayers that are like, I'd like more money. Right. Right. You're out.
Yeah. You do that. No, you do that twice. You're, you're done. Get a warning. You get a warning. Unless you could provide bank statements that say your financial position has materially changed negatively for some reason out of your control, I think, I think God can decide at that point. And you also can't pray to be like, Hey, keep me outta jail if I've committed a crime.
No, I think God can decide. It's like, yeah, you can pray for that stuff, but anyone can pray for anything at any time. Right? Like, I guess like to limit it seems, but I'm just, seems unfair. I, I think there's like a, you know, living your values thing [01:03:00] here, right? Well then those people need to, that's between you and God.
That's between you and God. Well, you're right, because immediately a, a competitive service will spin up. That'll be like, we let you do whatever we want. You can pray for it. Again, back to the whole prediction markets. We've regulated gambling and now the prediction market's like this isn't gambling.
You're just, you know, it's, it's not gambling, it's buying futures in a sporting event, which is what the definition of gambling is. So you're right. Someone else will just. At least I, this way I can, I can help influence the quality of the, the prayers in the platform. Imagine all the data we'll get about what people pray for.
Yeah. Time. I try to steer us in a direction that I think is gonna win. You guys are like, you know what else you do. Yeah. But that's true. It's like the freaky shit people Google what if the Yeah. Or like the Spotify lists. You know, what, if people are consistently, I'm gonna, I'm gonna tie a bow on this.
What are, you see a ton of people are praying for the latest fashion trend. Mm-hmm. Huh? [01:04:00] Huh. How did I not think? And then, oh, maybe it's time for, uh, pants to be a little shorter this season. You know what I mean? Exactly. Boom. What if, yeah, roasted every, like, so many people are probably gonna pray for like a new I said, I said boom roasted.
You're supposed to be like, yep, that's it. Yeah. Okay. No, no, no, no. Now I wanna hear your thing. Well, everyone's gonna be praying for a new Frank Ocean album. So like, you know, it's gonna drive someone's ocean. Does not respond to anyone's prayer. Yeah, he does not care. It's been 15 years. How long has it been?
God is a, is like calling to Frank Ocean on a beach somewhere. I please And he still hasn't made an album. The latest Frank Ocean album, I believe is older than all of my children. Uh, blonde, right? 2016. Oh, was it 2016? I thought it was earlier than that. Okay. All right. Well all my children are older than fact.
Frank Ians last fact. That's the one thing we're to fact check outta this whole episode. Yeah. Well, what else do you want me to fact check? Is God real? Like that's, [01:05:00] do prayers help? Um, well, Courtney, I want to thank you for coming in and pitching. What I think is, I think this idea. Is going to create the most discourse of any idea that we've had so far.
That's exciting. I like that. I think so. I think we should all, you know what, I'm gonna appeal to the listener here. Mm-hmm. I think we should all be comfortable having more conversations with each other about things that we're not comfortable talking about. Maybe if people are more willing to talk about things like this, um, maybe everything would be better.
You know what I mean? Amen.
I gotta buy so many prayers just to keep this podcast on the air. Courtney, that was awesome. I really like the idea. Thank you. Thanks for having me. It's fun. I, I really think you and Phil should just build it on Friday. Yeah, we will. I'll let you know. Yeah. Friday thinner labs. Prayer, prayer based. It's a prayer party.
[01:06:00] Faith-based hackathon. Yeah. This episode comes out. We'll have to have a, like a post about, this is April. Um, I think we're in April at this point. Yeah. I don't even know. The, the year is in 2029 in time for Nice to be ahead of schedule. Just in time. Just in time for Easter. Oh boy. That's perfect. Love that.
Yeah, it's perfect. Alright guys. Thank you very much. Boom.