YBIOTL Episode 20
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Shubh: [00:00:00] Welcome to episode 20 of Your Businesses On the Line, Canada's number one business comedy podcast, Philip Burns co-host. How are you?
Philippe: Very well, thank you.
Shubh: Uh, special guest, Shy Rana. Shy. How are you
Philippe: Doing? Great, thank you. Welcome, Shy.
Shubh: If you've never heard this podcast, for all of s Shy's friends and family especially, this is a podcast where, uh, people we know, uh, some are founders, some are venture capitalists, some are entrepreneurs, some are regulars.
Philippe: Have we had any regulars?
Shubh: Ordinary people? Yeah.
Philippe: Oh, okay. Like regular
Shubh: people? Yeah, like regular. And um,
Philippe: like they don't come on all the time, they're just normal.
Shubh: Oh, I [00:01:00] thought you meant, oh, I see. Yeah, yeah. No, I meant normal. Boring, not boring. No, no, just regular. Like civilians.
Philippe: Civilians, yeah.
Shubh: Um, come on and pitch a business idea to Philip and I and we give them feedback on the idea and rate the idea.
The ideas are generally not that, uh, serious. So, um, startup founders don't, uh, reach out and say, I wanna pitch my, uh, app that tells you where you can get the best macaroni.
It's just an app that has a picture of Italy on it.
Philippe: I mean, that would be a good, that would be a good pitch though, right?
Shubh: I don't think so. No, I don't think so.
Philippe: That would be good for our podcast in that. Oh
Shubh: yes. I see.
Philippe: Yeah.
Shubh: Right.
Philippe: Like it would be a horrible business, but it would be good for our
Shubh: podcast. Oh yeah.
I see. If they were doing it, uh, ironically it'd be good. Yeah. But if they came, yeah. Okay. I take it back. So come on and pitch your app about where to find the best macaroni.
Philippe: Yeah. [00:02:00] Do you guys wanna talk about you guys just both for the first time? Wait.
Shubh: Yes. But first I should probably introduce shy.
Philippe: Mm.
Shubh: Right? That's what a good host does. Yeah. So pretty excited
Shy: to hear this.
Shubh: Yeah. Cheyenne Rana shy to his friends Phillip, you can call him Cheyenne. Okay. I'm just kidding. You can call him Mr. Ron about it. Just messing with you. Uh, HAI is my friend. Uh, we were colleagues at ZayZoon for six-ish years.
Shy: Yeah.
About that.
Shubh: Um, HAI came in a year after I started. Um. Made everything work properly. And then we became a rocket ship, I think, uh, mostly due to him.
Shy: Wow.
Shubh: With no disrespect. Tate, Darcy, Jamie.
Shy: Yeah. I like the way this is going. Yeah.
Shubh: But it was mostly shy.
Shy: This sounds great.
Shubh: Does this feel, uh,
Shy: audio? Audio is just perfect,
Shubh: shy and I also occasionally dress the same.
When this episode comes out, I'm gonna share once again that photo with everyone.
Shy: Show notes,
Shubh: uh, in the show notes. Yes. Thank you. Shy. [00:03:00] Course you gets it.
Shy: Hi. Listen, you're a podcast, bro. Podcast. I'm probably the only
Shubh: one that
Shy: comments on you in the show
Shubh: notes. Yeah, that's true. That's Oh, on Spotify? Yes. On Spotify.
I was like, people can comment on Spotify. I didn't even know that was a thing. Um, and S Shy is here today to join us and we're very excited to have him just departed ZayZoon
Shy: Fresh
Shubh: two weeks ago.
Shy: Fresh. Whoa.
Shubh: Shy, how does it feel to be. Not gainfully employed.
Shy: Um, I gotta say, uh, like I haven't had this free of a calendar in over a decade.
Shubh: Yeah.
Shy: It's a weird
Shubh: So you packed it with a podcast?
Shy: Yep,
Philippe: that's right.
Shy: I had another one, uh, six.
Philippe: Uh, that's awesome. Does he, are you sleeping better at night?
Shy: Uh, no.
Philippe: Okay. Why? But
Shy: that's only because I have three small children.
Shubh: Yeah. He meet small, he's got three kids. Six and under.
Philippe: Whoa.
Shy: Yeah. Six, four and two.
Philippe: Damn.
Shubh: Yeah. That's a [00:04:00] they small. Um, I don't know, Phil, you wanna ask us about something?
Philippe: Yeah. I saw on LinkedIn this week that the two of you, uh, this is kind of like the point in the podcast history where you realize like, oh, was, was she just hosting this whole podcast for business development? You ever
Shubh: see, you ever, you ever see, you ever see the, the unusual suspects?
You know, when, uh, verbal Kim walks out and then, uh, the cop is just sitting there and suddenly starts to put it all together,
Philippe: right.
Shubh: That the whole thing, verbal Kim was Kaiser. So I say the whole time, Philip, that's the realization. You're looking around this podcast room and you're seeing things,
Shy: but now you're committed as a full co-host.
So yeah, they walk away.
Shubh: You're like, well, do I get a little slice of this business? No, man.
Philippe: Yeah. So you two are, are starting something. What are you guys starting?
Shubh: Yeah. Hai you talk about it.
Shy: Uh, you know, just a little bit. Just a little Diddy. Okay. Yeah. No, we, uh, so we, we this week launched our business, uh, aware go to market.
Uh, [00:05:00] we are a company that is seeking to help, um, other companies around us. To grow and leverage our extensive experience as professionals, uh, in growth to help those companies find the leverage to take their businesses to market more effectively, pull on any traction that they've got, and, uh, generally just goof around with each other, uh, while helping people.
Philippe: Wow.
Shy: Yeah.
Philippe: Okay. That's awesome. That was
Shubh: pretty good.
Shy: That was pretty good.
Shubh: That was pretty good.
Philippe: Yeah. And you guys already got some clients? I here
Shubh: got two.
Philippe: Two clients,
Shubh: yep. Two clients. It took, uh, six days to assign our first client, um, I'm gonna be a dick for a sec. We now have more revenue than 99% of the startups in this ecosystem.
Okay. I'm just kidding. People are like,
Philippe: Joe, you guys are doing services business. That's easy.
Shubh: I'm like, yeah, you're fine. It's easier, but.
Philippe: Yeah,
Shubh: you should still have more revenue. Uh, yeah, no, it's been super fun. Shy, and I have been chatting about this for a long, long time. Even when we [00:06:00] were both at ZayZoon and things were going, uh, swimmingly, which yeah, well, was respected the heck outta shys capabilities.
Maybe this artist pea,
Shy: oh man,
Shubh: one of the smartest people. One of the smartest people.
Shy: That is crazy. I'll take
Shubh: that. Highly capable to both, um, having a real conversation about someone's business, but also doing a bunch of nerdy shit. So, um, you know, Philip, you were, uh, getting Cloud Botts set up on your laptop.
Philippe: I was today. Yeah.
Shubh: Would you for our non, uh, nerd listeners, uh, what's Claude Bott?
Philippe: Claude Bott. Um,
Shubh: and, and Hai I'll come back to you guys.
Philippe: Yeah. I mean, I might need some help. Tell, tell us
Shy: specifically about the security
Philippe: posture. Yeah. Basically, I mean, here's how I got to the point where we're getting a Claude bot set up on my computer, um, uh, or claw bott.
Um, we, we host a cursor meetup for, um, for a group in town [00:07:00] in our office, curs every second.
Shubh: It's a vibe coding piece of software.
Philippe: Yeah. To, to vibe, code and stuff. And so the guy who hosts it goes, uh, why don't I come by? Next Wednesday and we can build some bots for you guys. And so we're like, yeah, for sure.
Let's build some bots. So he came in at 10 30 today and like, you know, we're recording this at four, it's still not at all fucking set up. Um,
Shubh: but Philip is very grateful.
Philippe: That's have to
Shubh: throw 'em under the bus on a distributor
Shy: podcast.
Shubh: Yeah, that's,
Philippe: I mean, I'm not throwing human under the bus. I, you know, it does take a long
Shubh: time.
So you also did a fantastic job of not answering my question.
Philippe: So, so what is a, what is a cloud? So essentially what we've done is we've built like a, a, a virtual cloud network, and then in that network
Shubh: Yep.
Philippe: That little container. Yeah. We've, we've allowed this. Uh, claw bot to play. Okay. So we're gonna essentially build an AI agent who lives in the cloud, and then we're gonna give it a [00:08:00] personality and tasks and things to do.
And it's gonna work 24 hours. It doesn't require a vacation or time off, or lunch breaks or cigarette breaks. It's just gonna work around the clock. And so what's
Shubh: it gonna do
Philippe: that we haven't done?
Shubh: Yeah,
Philippe: we're gonna figure that out.
Shubh: Yeah, I got you.
Shy: Yeah.
Philippe: Yeah. I think it's gonna do some sales stuff.
Shubh: I hope the AI agent adopts a personality Very similar to yours, Phil.
Philippe: Yeah.
Shy: No, I hope it's like the most annoying, like anti fill personality.
Shubh: No, no. I hope it's the most charming, uh, Claude bot that there is. And it's talking to all the other Claude bots.
Shy: Mm-hmm.
Shubh: And they're like, and then suddenly there's a little robot tech Thursday, right? Where all these bots are showing up every Thursday.
Yeah. And then three other bots are like giving a talk around like, um, you. Stuff bot, because we're all talking about, Hey, how do we leverage ai? How do we leverage humans? And the bots are like, how do we leverage humans? Yeah. And, and somebody's like, uh, instead of inference data centers, it's like a, a, [00:09:00] a lunch restaurants, they're talking about rest.
Restaurants are our point of entry to get humans in the door. Yeah. And then these robots just fire up a restaurant. It's only got bagels. Uh,
Philippe: that would actually be worth it for like a marketing campaign. It is like, we're just like, oh my God, my cla on both a virtual tech Thursday.
Shubh: Honestly. Did we just write our next LinkedIn post?
Uh, yeah. But to sum it up, uh, Schneider very excited. Uh, well, I, I should say I shouldn't speak for him. I'm very excited, uh, to get to work with him again to help some companies out. We have talked about this on this podcast many times. I'm very personally motivated to, uh, yes, build ourselves a commercially viable, successful company.
But I'm very, very motivated to make more companies grow so that, uh, my kids will be able to hang around and do cool shit when they're older.
Philippe: Yeah, that's good. But you, but the, uh, but the, the, the true crux of this podcast is this is not actually a, a business development tool.
Shubh: Oh, no. [00:10:00] Sorry. We're doing a one hour commercial for wear the whole thing.
You did not, you know how you sometimes Philip Tech Thursday does those 32nd or 62nd startup videos.
Philippe: Yeah,
Shubh: yeah. This is 60 minute version,
Philippe: 60 minute
Shubh: gtm. Uh, can you continue to, uh, ask some questions and pump some tires for us?
Philippe: Yeah, of course. Um, what, uh, how are you guys gonna help customers grow?
Shubh: No. No. Can you rephrase that question?
Philippe: How are you guys gonna help?
Shubh: Uh, what makes, uh, you guys so special?
Philippe: Okay.
Shubh: Because that's all I hear in the market. That's what you said.
Philippe: Oh. What makes you guys so special?
Shubh: Yeah, because that's all I hear.
Philippe: Oh. 'cause that's all I hear in the market. That's what everyone's telling me.
Shubh: Oh, just kidding. Shy, anything else you wanna tell us about yourself?
Shy: Uh, Calgary. Born and raised.
Shubh: Okay.
Shy: That might be, um, meaningful to our national audience.
Shubh: Yeah. Hey, a friend of mine called me today from Denver, who was listening to the podcast.
Shy: Ooh.
Shubh: In America. That's a whole other country.
Shy: I've been pitching it, I've been pitching [00:11:00] it as, I almost say Dragons Den, but for dumb ideas.
But I, I, I forget I say Sharks Tank.
Shubh: Wow. Oh, right. Yeah.
Shy: But then some of the ideas are actually good.
Shubh: Yeah. Brooke's idea. So, Shy introduced, introduced, uh, Brooke and I, Shy was, uh, you were mentioned on that episode.
Shy: Ooh,
Shubh: Brooke. Like, I got a text from a friend of mine who's coming on the pod next week, and he was like, you should not let people like Brooke on the podcast.
Shy: Yeah. But Brooke, Brooke is a person who does not fuck around.
Shubh: Too prepared, too good an idea. Um,
Shy: well, just generally like a very competent
Shubh: Yeah.
Shy: Human being. Yeah.
Shubh: So you're from town? Got from town, got some kids. Yep.
Shy: Yep.
Shubh: So we can talk about dad stuff.
Shy: Yep. We talk about dad stuff. I got three. Three kids.
Shubh: Yep.
Shy: Got a wonderful wife. She's a teacher.
Shubh: That's amazing.
Shy: Yep. Do you wanna talk more about your crowds?
Shubh: No,
Shy: sorry.
Shubh: Do you want to talk more about his what?
Shy: Uh, crabs? Like Claude. Claude bots are crabs, right?
Shubh: Is
you really? I did not know this.
Shy: Yeah.
Shubh: Okay.
Shy: Yeah. It's a [00:12:00] little crab, right?
Philippe: Uh, I think a lobster, but yeah.
Shubh: It's very confusing name because they're Claude Bots.
Shy: Yeah.
Shubh: So for everyone out there, they're bots that can reach in and do stuff.
Shy: Yes.
Shubh: But Claude is also Anthropics ai. Spelt differently.
Shy: That's right.
Shubh: It's of all the words you could use.
Shy: Well, do you know, wanna know how that all came about? So the guy started c Claude Bots. Yeah. With like Claws.
Shubh: Yep.
Shy: And then, uh, anthropic asked him to change the name to Mt. Bot.
Shubh: Yep.
Shy: I dunno, they, they asked him to change the name. He, he chose Mbot.
Shubh: Yeah. Mt. Bot's not great.
Shy: And then they went and took over and created their own social network. We're not sure if that's a gimmick or not.
Shubh: Yep.
Shy: Uh, and then Anthropic hired the guy for like millions of dollars a year.
Shubh: Right? Was it Anthropic at the Open? Didn't OpenAI by.
Shy: Oh, maybe it's OpenAI. I don't know. Yeah.
Shubh: Venue
Shy: One of them.
Shubh: Damn.
Shy: Yep.
Shubh: Damn indeed. Uh, so. Uh, yeah, that's it. You covered your bases.
Shy: I do not have good ideas. Just
Shubh: what do you like to do? Uh,
Shy: amazing. Yes.
Shubh: Yeah. What do you like to do for fun? Shy [00:13:00]
Shy: Uh, fun is not a word I've been Yeah. Associated with Ben has not
Shubh: had fun
Shy: for long time. That's not, that's not true. Uh, that's
Shubh: true.
Shy: Yeah. That's a little,
Chaz: it's a little bit true.
Shy: No,
Shubh: no. You, you love fun. Love fun. You just haven't had any time for fun is
Shy: what? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's right. Yeah. I play softball with my buddies.
Shubh: Yes.
Shy: Um, yeah.
Shubh: Hey, would you, uh, you own a softball team?
Philippe: Uh,
Shubh: you ever need a ringer? Philip, uh, still got those, those quidditch hands,
Shy: right?
Right.
Shubh: Yeah.
Philippe: I could hit a digger or two.
Shubh: Yeah.
Shy: I'm picturing Philip with like swinging a broomer.
Shubh: Oh my God. Do you have a tech Tech Thursday softball tournament?
Philippe: I mean, don't put that on my plate. I don't want to do that
Shubh: shit. A busy Philip, Philip, Philip Quad bot, uh, please organize a corporate softball tournament.
Philippe: That would actually be sick. I'm sure it would do a good job.
Shubh: It should be done by the time you get back to your desk, you
Shy: could probably teach it to read the transcripts, some of these things and do things. So
Philippe: that's actually probably what we're gonna do is like a content bot. Oh yeah. Uh, like read transcripts of, of [00:14:00] pods and stuff.
But I really hope that it doesn't listen to this transcript and it's like, what the fuck did you say about me? You know it
Shubh: organizing. Oh yeah. So Claude Bott gets all pissed off. I think we said only nice things.
Philippe: Yeah. Okay. Yeah,
Shubh: we said it's gonna start a restaurant with its buddies. What greater compliment could you give to a bot than that?
Philippe: That's true.
Shubh: Um, uh, speaking of content, Shy was the guy at the live show. For those of you who were there, you can sort of hear him in the background. Who, um, who in real time, um, leveraged AI to assess our average scores? Of our pitches and the average scores were way higher than we thought. But I believe it's because when we give a zero to somebody, we don't often say zero.
Philippe: We just kind of choose not shy.
Shubh: So the robot did not know.
Philippe: Yeah,
Shubh: yeah. So Shy uh, did that in real time. So I'm just saying smart, smart fella.
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Shubh: do it?
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Well shy. You said you got no good ideas, but you're here. You got ideas, you're here.
Shy: I got some [00:16:00] ideas.
Shubh: You're here to pitch an idea. Uh,
Shy: how many is too many for, for like a podcast?
Shubh: Uh, if they're,
Shy: can we do rapid fire mode
Shubh: if, yeah. Yeah. If it's fun. There's no such thing as too many. Okay. If it's boring, then one,
Shy: we've got like one that's medium boring.
Shubh: Yep.
Shy: But like still pretty stupid.
Shubh: Yep.
Shy: Um, and then three that are just like entirely
Shubh: stupid. You and I have talked about this. When you're selling, you just operate as if, right?
Shy: Yeah.
Shubh: So you've got four ideas. I got four ideas, translation, four ideas,
Shy: four ideas.
Shubh: Okay, buddy. Um, HAI, do you have an idea other than aware GTM
Shy: to pitch us today?
I do. I do. Yeah. Um, but before we leave the Claude Bot thing, um, so let's
Shubh: do 20 more minutes
Shy: after bot, after, after, excuse me, after Chaz's, uh, wonderful pitch. And actually like, is it Chaz or Chaz, you guys? What's going on here?
Shubh: Shaz, uh, Philip has renamed him for the purposes of this podcast.
Shy: Oh, I see. But it's Chaz.
It's Chaz.
Shubh: Yeah. It's a, it's, I'm
Shy: calling him Chaz for like many years, so, yeah. That makes sense. Okay.
Shubh: Yeah, you were right. It is Chaz.
Shy: Okay. He's
Shubh: just a fancy boy, you
Philippe: know, I wanna give him Shas. [00:17:00] Chaz.
Shy: So I was thinking like I created a website based on Aquas.
Shubh: Yeah. Remember I sent you the Aqua Desks
Shy: website?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I've since learned that many people have done that based on Y-B-I-Y-B-I-O-T. We, we
Shubh: got a Jesus Plus website. Yep. We got a Aqua desks site. Yep.
Shy: I think your Cloud B should just build the websites. Uh, yeah.
Philippe: The transcripts? Well, maybe some. You can make a Quad bot that does that. What
Shy: yours?
As busy with
Philippe: Tech
Shubh: Thursday.
Philippe: Virtual?
Shubh: Yeah. Huh. Okay, well fine. I guess I'll do it, I guess. But it's
Philippe: a
Shubh: billionaire.
Philippe: Don't ask me to build a quad by that organizes events. Then,
Shubh: oh, here's a Claude Bot that puts together Fancy Founder Dinner. That SHO's not invited to. Fuck It's fucking Claw Bot.
Shy: Are you ready?
Shubh: Uh, I've never been more ready. Uh, just for the audience though, just, uh, preface a couple things. Uh, uh, Philip's a little cranky today. I'm a little cranky today. So, uh, shy. If, if we are, you're gonna throw
Shy: me into the
Shubh: mess if I just said we're both a little cranky. No, I, [00:18:00] I didn't say that. That'll
Shy: be my card.
Shubh: I'll just keep it in. I did not, I did not say why.
Shy: Yeah.
Shubh: Uh, I'm just cranky 'cause, uh, Shy and I's business has, uh, started positively and as a result I'm having to work way more than I have a couple weeks. Um, so if we're a little cranky, so if we, if we get a little, uh, if we're a little harsh Yeah. We need to, we need to hold each other accountable.
Phillip.
Philippe: Yeah.
Shubh: So, um, so we don't embarrass each other. We'll just go, I'll just put my hand on your arm like this.
Philippe: Okay.
Shubh: Okay.
Philippe: If you see me like, yeah, well maybe, maybe for context I'm okay to share this, but I'm, I'm trying to quit nicotine. I often do pouches. I'll do like three or four pouches. You can have to
Shubh: say, you don't have to say any of this.
Philippe: No, it's okay. But, so if, so that's what I'm trying to quit. Nicotine. I'm on day zero and so, you know, getting a little cranky, but if I start shaking, you know, just hold me. But yeah, I, I, I decided today, this morning to quit a smoker or
Shy: like patches?
Shubh: No chewing.
Shy: Not the gum.
Philippe: No, not the gum. The, uh, like snooze, like sonics.
Shubh: Yeah. It's totally
Philippe: different than gum.
Shubh: It's just a chewy nicotine
Shy: thing. Yeah.
Philippe: Well, first of all, [00:19:00] it's, it's not tobacco, it's nicotine.
Shy: Right,
Philippe: right,
Shy: right.
Philippe: And it's eucalyptus leaves infused with nicotine.
Shy: All right. Okay.
Philippe: And so I, you know, and
Shy: presumably that's it, it's like totally organic and
Philippe: Exactly,
Shy: yeah.
That's just, just eucalyptus and nicotine. It's
Shubh: from Exactly. Sweden, it's a 30% herring. Okay. I dunno.
Philippe: That's right. The Swedes invented that.
Shubh: Yeah.
Philippe: Can't be
Shubh: bad.
Philippe: Right.
Shy: The Swedes, they've invented a lot of things.
Philippe: Yeah. The Swedes
Shy: self-assembled furniture.
Philippe: Okay.
Shubh: Yep.
Shy: Meatballs.
Shubh: Uh,
Shy: what,
Shubh: I don't know. I'm um, I might not be the right frame of mind for this.
Normally I get mad at Phillip and other and our guests for like, saying stuff I can't hear. It might be me today.
Shy: Yeah. Yeah. My, my understanding is this is a podcast where we can be vulnerable, right? I
Philippe: think
Shubh: so. Thank you Shy. Yes. Yeah, yeah. Right. If anybody else out there going through stuff, say you're having to work more than you want to, you, we could start a support group.
Yep. Guys [00:20:00] who semi-retired then realize they have to keep working. Alright, Shy. Okay. Let's hit, let's, let's, let's hear it.
Shy: You've all been, and I'm looking at you guys for right in the eyes. Oh yeah. This is good. Yeah. So you've all been on those Zoom meetings where somebody is like awkward awkwardly bouncing up and down 'cause they're at a walking desk.
Y
Shubh: Yes.
Shy: Yes. Well, they're actually on a treadmill. And who likes being on a treadmill?
Shubh: No one. Nobody.
Shy: Nobody.
Shubh: Yeah.
Shy: Right. If you're a runner, treadmills are the fucking worst. The worst. But all the videos you want of trails in the Alps, and it's not gonna make it better.
Shubh: Totally. Honestly, if it's an actual treadmill or a metaphorical treadmill, also terrible.
Shy: Yes. Like a
Philippe: job.
Shubh: Yeah. You know, just life, you know, the constant grind of life. Anyway, keep going. Sorry.
Shy: So this is actually like, um, it's, it's in a, it's a product line that's adjacent to the Aquis.
Shubh: Okay.
Shy: And it's called Love it, the walking desk. Um, so picture, uh, picture. Oh, so picture, picture like a segue.
Shubh: Yeah.
Shy: That [00:21:00] like you can go outside with Right. It like follows you around and it's uh, it's got like rugged wheels so it can go down sidewalk. You know what I mean? It's like you just follow it around. You can do your work, but it's like real, you're in real life. Your IRL guys and the god in this world of virtual.
Everything, the walking desk.
Shubh: So it's like a by
Shy: Chaz and Shy.
Shubh: It's like a by Chaz and Shy's. It's
Shy: called diversification.
Shubh: It's a hu It's a stroller for grownups. That's a, that's a, uh, that's a work desk.
Shy: You still have to walk though. 'cause like that's
Shubh: a, oh you said it was like a seg?
Shy: Yeah, but the segue part's, like just for the
Shubh: computer.
Oh, so you're saying I got a Flintstone and I got Fred Flintstone around, like, I gotta use my feet.
Shy: You use your feet to walk, but it like follows you using the power of ai.
Shubh: Okay, hold on. It's so good. It's following me. Like it's
Shy: got
Shubh: sensors, like, uh, it's got sensors. Uh, um, I know you're, you don't golf, but, uh, they got those golf bags now that you don't have to push.
They follow you around.
Shy: Exactly.
Shubh: This is a even better idea. I thought you had to drive this thing around, but you're saying my desk just, I walk in it, [00:22:00] it's in front of me.
Shy: It alerts you to cars. It, I don't know
Shubh: what's it called? Walk desk.
Shy: The walking desk. The walking desk. The stand. Like the standing desk.
With the walking desk, right? Just
Shubh: the walking. Yeah. I wanna work on that
Shy: name. Nice and simple. You know what it
Shubh: is? I, I think there's a word. We can make a better name using the word promenade somehow.
Shy: I mean, it's a bit pretentious, but you might be able to get the,
Shubh: the price. Pret. It's pretentious. That's what, that's our mo
Shy: like our mo
Shubh: that's, it's Philips.
Philippe: What about a a, you know, in Australia they say, oh, I'm going for a walkabout. It could you, A
Shy: W desk was really hoping that accent would come out on us and like, not disappoint. When were you disappointed? Yeah, no, I'm not disappointed. That was great. Yeah.
Philippe: Vocal about what?
Shubh: I love this. Could you have an, uh, a version where.
Um, uh, say like, we're all, we had to meet together today. You and I had to meet. Yes. So there's like a, like a round table version. See where everybody's go? Everybody's walking. A couple people maybe gotta [00:23:00] walk backwards.
Shy: Oh, that's not where I thought you were going.
Shubh: Oh, yeah. People
Shy: just walking around in circle.
Shubh: Yeah. Yeah. The whole Safeway parking lot. The, the whole desk. You gotta call, you got, you got a conference room? A walkabout version. Okay. Walk desk conference.
Shy: Yeah. Yeah.
Shubh: Walk, walk. We walk desk.
Philippe: Are you a question though? 'cause the, the person walking is still gonna be bouncing. Are you solving the bounce or just like, at the very least question.
Shubh: Yeah.
Philippe: They're not on a indoor treadmill.
Shy: I mean, they don't wanna shoot themselves. You can solve everything with this, right? Like Yeah, yeah, yeah. Image stabilizers can do like the most amazing things. Right? So it's just, it's just that. Yeah.
Shubh: It's the walk, it's the walkway desk. From the, from the people that brought you The
Shy: aquas.
Oh, the aqua dust. Yes.
Philippe: The walk
Shubh: With the walk would,
Shy: and all the same features with the wifi and the sun protection and all
that
Shy: stuff just
still
Shubh: apply. Do you guys remember those tour buses? Yeah. Uh, the, the bus drives up to the lake and then it just, and then it turns into like a motorboat in the lake.
Uh, could you have a premium version that like, when you get near the pool, it just converts into the audience?
Shy: Ooh, the amphibious WPA desk.
Shubh: [00:24:00] Uh, I actually, okay. I know we're being funny. Yeah. Uh, but I know people like to stay active when they're on calls.
Shy: Yep.
Shubh: Uh, sometimes a phone's not good enough 'cause uh, you know, especially when you're a fellow like Shy looks to get his hands dirty on the keyboard, just like he would with the wear go to market.
Mark. Um, uh, I like, I think I'm a big fan.
Philippe: Yep. Yeah. I, I just wanna talk a little bit more about how much I fucking hate treadmills.
Shy: Yeah,
Philippe: dude. The worst
Shubh: because you, you, you both, uh, I like when you say famously when no one knows anything, but you both are famously runners.
Philippe: Oh wow.
Shubh: You both like a little running.
Yeah.
Shy: I mean, gotta get back into it. Let's,
Shubh: yeah. You got all the time. You got, you got nothing but time now, brother. Calendar
Shy: time. Yeah.
Shubh: Uh, you love to run, but you don't like a treadmill.
Philippe: Oh, my. I could never, like, I, sometimes I'll go in for five minutes. I go, I, I would rather like, there's, there are so many things I would rather do and self-harm is one of the I toilet.
Yeah. Yeah. Like I would [00:25:00] rather, I would rather be under the treadmill with it, you know, sort of bouncing on your face like this. Just gimme road rash. Yeah. Then running on top of it. It's the worst thing in the world.
Shubh: I think there are some, like Rita is, Rita can use a treadmill.
Shy: Yeah. It's, you fit into one camper.
Shubh: T's either Excellent. I get on the treadmill, I'm like, oh Lord. Within three minutes
Philippe: I am like,
Shubh: I get, I can't do it. You
Shy: have to play little games with the timer and be like, okay, 10
Shubh: seconds. Hey you, if I'm watching some, I don't know. Is it the whole being stationary for exercise or is it the treadmill particularly?
Shy: I think it's stationary. I think it's like being in one spot.
Philippe: Yeah. 'cause the biking. Yeah.
Shy: Like even watching tv, I just like, it doesn't matter.
Philippe: Yeah.
Shy: It's not, it's not good enough.
Shubh: This
Philippe: is, I, I've never done like the bike trainer thing, they got their own bike on there and there's
Shubh: Oh yeah,
Philippe: there's a new, uh, there's a new like world that you can go on, I think it's called like
Shubh: bike world
Philippe: Zippy or something.
I dunno. Maybe that I
Shubh: would to call the bike world
Philippe: bike world. But then you're like on, you're an animated thing and you get to race people in, they're real, but they're animated and they're around the world. But you're like sitting [00:26:00] trying to compete with them. That's kind of fun.
Shubh: Go outside and race people.
Philippe: Yeah. But in the winter, I guess that's
Shubh: how fun. Yeah. When it's really cold. The only time I do appreciate the treadmill is when I get up, I'm like, oh, I'll go, uh, get a workout in and it's minus like 37 outside. Yeah. And I can just go into the basement. That's the only time I don't mind. Yeah. I don't hate the treadmill.
Chaz: Yeah.
Shubh: Okay. But, uh, WWA desk, uh, I love it. Yeah. That's great. I would like to see it in the world tomorrow.
Philippe: It's so good. What, how many scores? How many sell?
Shy: Gimme your als.
Shubh: Well you said you had three more ideas. Yeah. So
Philippe: don't hedge
Shy: though. Are you hedging your, your salsas?
Shubh: Of course. I fucking hedge all the time.
Philippe: This is obviously the best one though.
Shy: I don't know. I got some good one. Goodies.
Shubh: No, we've had people come on and say, this is my best idea and honestly it's not their best. Okay. And, and then we get 'em with another one. This is a terrific idea.
Shy: Thank you.
Shubh: Uh, it's a 63 Celsius.
Shy: Okay. Okay. It's close to your median score, just by the way.
Shubh: Well, no, but you did not count all my, you did not count all my zeros.
Shy: Uh, [00:27:00] oh, true, true, true.
Shubh: Or my, I'm not gonna rates this, which are, which are zeros.
Shy: Okay. So you rated this, which is good.
Shubh: Yeah.
Shy: Phil,
Philippe: you gave it what? A
Shubh: 50, 63 out of 75 Celsius.
Philippe: Oh, I want to come in a little bit higher, but, um, I, I really love this idea.
I think it's brilliant. I think a lot of people would use it and, um. I, so I'm gonna give it 65. Wow. 65 sources.
Shy: Okay.
Philippe: Yeah. Yeah.
Shubh: That's cool. I'm just thinking like, getting in the, you're in the river valley in, in, uh, in Edmonton. We never talk about where I grew up. We only talk about where Phil grew up. We didn't have River Valley in Edmonton taking a call.
Shy: Stepping on needles.
Shubh: Ooh, no way. The river valley. Come on. Hey,
Shy: wait.
Shubh: Hey, hey. Edmonton. Edmonton River Valley is delightful.
Shy: I had to throw that in there.
Shubh: No needles. No needles. Those are a few blocks north,
Shy: a few
Shubh: meters off to
Shy: the side of the
Shubh: south or west, east river valley's delightful. They got a little glass elevator you can take downtown down the thing.
Shy: That one also
Shubh: has. Hey, you know what? Shout out Edmonton River Valley.
Philippe: Woo.
Shubh: [00:28:00] Oilers. Um, what else we got in Edmonton? Sponsor podcast. Uh, oh my God.
Philippe: I love the, the, you guys have a very beautiful brutalist convention center that I love. I love the decor.
Shubh: Brutalist convention
Shy: for people who like big cement cubes.
Me.
I
Philippe: love that shit.
Shubh: Yeah. Oh, Edmonton. Well, you grew up in Winnipeg. Uh, Edmonton and Winnipeg. Very similar. Architecturally, I would say for a lot of it. What? Yeah. A lot of, uh, a lot of what most people would say broken down warehouses. Uh, once there was an article when I was growing up that rated the drive from the airport in Edmonton into Edmonton as the ugliest drive in the world basically.
I was like, it's amazing. It's a bit harsh. That's amazing.
Shy: Like
Shubh: it's not totally that harsh, but I will say downtown Edmonton
Shy: quite nice
Shubh: since the arena. And I was not on board with all the public money.
Shy: Oh, you said Edmonton. Oh, sorry. I
Shubh: said
Shy: quite nice time. I thought you
Shubh: Edmonton somewhere else. Post arena.
Post arena. The downtown has uh, actually gotten quite lovely. I've been there to watch the orders lose [00:29:00] two straights down the cup final. So, uh, what were we talking about?
Philippe: Uh, HAIs. Next. Let's keep rolling. Or Shaw's next idea. Yeah.
Shubh: Let's, yeah, let's keep it rolling, right? Yeah, yeah.
Philippe: Let's keep it going.
Shubh: Okay. I just, I was saying the river valley with the desks and you guys started shitting on Edmonton and I felt the need to defend it.
Shy: Picture this. Just gonna get right into it. Okay. Picture this. Yep. Um, you get home, you park your car in the garage.
Shubh: Yeah.
Shy: Right.
Shubh: Philip, do you have a garage? Uh, yeah. Under my condo building. Alright.
Shy: Okay. That won't work for that
Shubh: one. No, no, that's, no, no. Cut him out. He's fine. He doesn't even a barbecue.
Shy: Okay.
So, uh, attach attached garage situation would be good. Or, yeah, I got, or even just like moving around in your house hands. Hey, I got
Shubh: an, I got an attached garage.
Shy: Alright, there you go.
Shubh: Yeah.
Shy: Your hands are full of groceries. You just got 'em outta the back
Shubh: of the car. Oh yeah. I love groceries.
Shy: And now you gotta open the door to your house.
Shubh: Okay. Okay.
Philippe: This is,
Shy: we're all, we're all familiar with handles. Yeah. Yeah. Why doesn't someone invent the foot?
Philippe: Oh,
Shy: oh. So [00:30:00]
Shubh: I don't know the answer I've seen where you can press a button, like, um, for accessibility
Shy: mm-hmm.
Shubh: With the lower button.
Shy: That's a, that's quite an investment though.
Shubh: And I also have a garbage motorized can where I can press it with my, that's a great question, Shy. Yeah. It's easy. A couple flaps of wood.
They have garbage cans that allow you to open with your feet and hands. Yeah. Because your hands are full or gross.
Shy: Yeah.
Shubh: Why isn't my door.
Shy: You could, you could make one that is integrated into the door. You could also make one that you could retrofit onto a door, you know?
Shubh: Yeah.
Shy: Yeah.
Shubh: How do I unlock the door?
Shy: Well, that's what I, my, my assumption is the door's unlocked.
Shubh: Oh, yeah. But then I, how I do that without my hands,
Shy: uh, you'd have to have like an
Shubh: fc
Shy: like fingerprint technology for your toes.
Shubh: Re what? Oh, fingerprint. That's another idea.
Shy: There you go to
Shubh: print. Oh,
wow.
Shy: To print technology.
Shubh: Yeah. Actually, which
Shy: I assume is just fingerprint
Shubh: technology.
Yeah. 'cause I think if I've learned anything from the spy movies Yeah. Right. People like always like, oh, get his thumbprint and then they change the thumbprint to get access to things. No one ever gets the tow print.
Shy: That's [00:31:00] right.
Shubh: Uh,
Shy: actually you had that on your phone though, just like,
Shubh: uh, yeah. The foot is a really good idea.
Shy: Yeah.
Shubh: I would like to see foots on doors across. Everywhere tomorrow.
Shy: I actually made a prototype of this when I was like 12 years old for junior achievers. I just really, it's, it's been dormant for about 40 years. Junior.
Shubh: Junior.
Achieve
Philippe: you should build now that you have some free time.
Shy: Yeah. Yeah.
Shubh: You'll just go
Shy: market it.
Shubh: Uh, okay. Wait, how did you build it when you were a kid?
Shy: So two flaps of, of wood, uhhuh, thin wood with a hinge in between.
Shubh: Yep.
Shy: So
Shubh: no spring though?
Shy: No, you don't need it because the top flap is like hooked via chain.
Shubh: Oh, like a toilet handle. Like a, you built a to the handle. You, your inspiration. Was the toilet handle pulling up the, the thing with the chain?
Shy: Maybe? Yeah. Who knows what I was thinking when I was 12.
Shubh: Did it work? Did it work?
Shy: It did work, yeah. We had it on our door for like six years.
Philippe: Well, you, so you actually built this,
Shubh: wait, it was a prototype of this for six years?
Shy: Yeah.
Shubh: And it would,
Shy: you can ask my mom and dad
Shubh: you used it to
Shy: For who?
Shubh: You used it.[00:32:00]
You used it to open the door.
Shy: Used it to open the door. My parents. Yeah. Yeah.
Shubh: Your parents used it for six years to open the door.
Shy: Well, I dunno if they used it. I used it.
Shubh: Whoa. And then what happened? Why did it not continue?
Shy: Um,
Philippe: planned obsolescence.
Shy: Yeah. There you go. See? Yeah. There you go. That's the business model.
Shubh: Can you, uh, okay. Hold on a sec. You built this,
Shy: built it.
Shubh: It worked.
Shy: It worked.
Shubh: Uh,
Shy: and it's just been laying dormant.
Shubh: Chaz just jumped on.
Shy: Okay. Hey Chaz.
Shubh: Uh, Chaz. Chaz here. He pitched a, uh, Aqua Desk alternative called the wwa Desk, which would follow you around when you were walking. Uh, Ooh. Yeah. Yeah. He wants more.
There he is. He actually, and he's pitched it from Shy and Chaz. Yes. Which I thought was very,
Shy: because I generous, I felt, I just felt like you deserved some credit, Chaz for
Shubh: Yeah. It was the inspiration
Shy: for inspiring me.
Chaz: There's fewer people I would like to partner up with than you.
Shubh: Yeah. Hey, he's got a business partner.
Eat shit. Yeah. Yeah. Um, okay. He'll hold up. Uh, and, and [00:33:00] Hai just, uh, ch uh, Chaz, Chaz has a real job now, so he's just floating in and out of the podcast. So like, um, uh, so I'm catching him up. Uh, HAI uh, uh, can I do the pitch to cha? Yeah,
Shy: do it. Let's hear
Shubh: it. Hey, uh, Chaz, uh, you ever try to open your door when you're carrying something?
Chaz: All the time.
Shubh: Yeah. Don't you wish you could use your foot to open the door?
Chaz: That would be nice. So, uh, Shy invented a prototype pedal system with a chain for his door when he was 12 years old. It ran. Successfully for six years. Six years. That's as long as you were at ZayZoon.
Shy: That's right.
Shubh: Uh, why have
Shy: you The impact was like significantly less, though.
It helped three people. I, but that's great though.
Shubh: I don't know.
Shy: Yeah.
Shubh: Um, why have you not? Uh, this is a really good idea because does
Shy: anyone know anyone at Wiser?
Shubh: I think the key though is the fact that you can rec or
Shy: schlage
Shubh: your version though. You could [00:34:00] retrofit to any door.
Shy: That's right.
Shubh: Because that's the key.
If somebody came to me and said, I'm gonna install the foot, but you gotta rip out all your
Shy: handles.
Shubh: Thingies. Yeah. Oh, they call that hardware,
Shy: hardware.
Shubh: Hardware.
Shy: It's hardware. Yes.
Shubh: Uh, I'd be like, ah, get outta here. It's not that big a problem, but man, when you have kids, you're trying to open doors all the time.
The time you're carrying a child.
Shy: Yep.
Shubh: Uh, would like to see this photo. Where do I write my, uh, seed? Seed money? Check. Angel check.
Shy: Yeah. I don't know. I guess me, this is actually a really good idea.
Shubh: Yeah. Yeah, but it's mechanical. It's AI proof.
Shy: Yeah. I tried to come up with mostly ai. Yeah, it's hard assets.
Shubh: Yeah.
Shy: Yeah. We're dueling in hard assets now.
Shubh: Uh, only operate in hard assets,
Shy: exclusivity to Home Depot. Yeah, you could do that.
Shubh: Shout out to Home Depot or Rona Plus if
Shy: you RONA Plus
Shubh: do you know actually what's Rona Plus? RONA is rona. So RONA got bought by Lowe's and then private equity bought RONA back from Lowe's.
'cause Lowe's is exiting Canada and renamed it RONA [00:35:00] plus.
Philippe: Oh,
Shubh: that's news. Yeah. But
Shy: there's no plus it still has all the same stuff as Rona used to have. Yeah. So
Shubh: they had a plus on the sign, which they might have even got rid of it this point.
Shy: Yeah. I don't know,
Shubh: but it's just Rona
Shy: what the plus is.
Shubh: You know who I would like as a sponsor, legitimately
Shy: tell me.
Shubh: Canadian tire.
Shy: Ooh. Yeah.
Shubh: Can we just, uh, is it okay if we just, uh, digress from the pitch just for a second?
Shy: Totally. Yeah. This is important.
Shubh: Have you ever tried to explain everything you can get to Canadian Tire to someone who is not from Canada?
Shy: Like everything you can get outta Canadian Tire?
Shubh: Yeah.
Shy: Yeah,
Shubh: because uh, it's a very unique place you can go and people are like, oh, it's like Walmart.
You get everything at Walmart. I'm like, there are some things you can't get at Walmart that you can get a Canadian tire. Canadian tire. Here's, here's some of the stuff in my house from Canadian Tire. I've got a non-stick pan from Canadian Tire.
Shy: You
Philippe: can get that at Walmart.
Shubh: I've got a, uh, a hand cart from Canadian Tire, like a little dolly.
Philippe: Probably get that at Walmart. Wait, did you steal the one [00:36:00] that you were
Shubh: shopping with?
Philippe: I got,
Shubh: I got a garden hose from Canadian Tire,
Philippe: probably at a Walmart.
Shubh: I've got, uh, a little, uh, uh, concrete slab for the outside, like a paving stone Canadian tire. Now we're getting, now
Shy: we're getting into good stuff.
Shubh: Yeah.
Uh, uh, uh, bike helmet. For the children. Yeah. That might be a Walmart. Yeah, I'm just saying Canadian Tire has, this
Shy: is a lot of stuff,
Shubh: like a wide breath, uh, of uh, light fixtures.
Shy: Yeah, I was gonna say, you know what, you can't get a Walmart.
Shubh: Yeah.
Shy: An H 21 4 12 halogen light bulb for your car.
Shubh: There it is.
Shy: That's not a real thing.
Right, right, right.
Shubh: Okay. But like a car light bulb. Any windshield wiper you want like a
Shy: specific car
Shubh: light? Any windshield wiper you want any windshield wipe?
Shy: Any,
Shubh: I'm just saying Canadian Tire is a hell of a place sponsors Canadian Tire and uh, soon to be on the shelves of Canadian Tire. The Foot?
Shy: Mm-hmm.
Ooh, exclusive.
Shubh: Yeah. Excuse. How much would you charge for this foot?
Shy: I don't know what a fair, but like a with a door handle's like [00:37:00] 65 bucks.
Shubh: Yeah, but that's a good one.
Shy: A good one.
Shubh: Yeah. Or this would be a good,
Shy: this is a premium product.
Shubh: Well, I think you have to have a commercial grade and a consumer grade.
Shy: Yes. Door
Philippe: handles are $65
Shy: for a good
Shubh: one. Yeah. You're enjoy your fucking condo living where you don't have to worry about this shit.
Shy: Build a grade is like 13 bucks probably.
Shubh: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The door handle in your condo for like your bedroom. Yeah. 10 bucks. Yeah. Yeah,
Shy: yeah.
Shubh: But the door handle to get into your condo.
Yeah. A hundred bucks.
Shy: I feel like 200 bucks. I feel like 200 bucks. Yeah. I feel like 34 9 is a good price.
Shubh: Yeah, I was gonna say first I was gonna say like 1799, but then I was like, eh,
Shy: don't say yourself. Shirt
Shubh: 30. Yeah. I think 30 is like your consumer grade.
Shy: Yes.
Shubh: Uh,
Shy: the Foot pro.
Shubh: The foot pro is gonna be, yeah.
99 bucks.
Shy: Yes.
Shubh: Yeah.
Shy: Right. Premium materials.
Shubh: Oh yeah.
Shy: Never
Philippe: breaking 20 year
Shy: guarantee.
Shubh: Yeah. How many, how many, how many pushes comes,
Shy: comes with free wifi? [00:38:00]
Shubh: Yeah. Uh, oh man. The shy. This is a good idea. I don't, and I'm actually a little annoyed. Hey, I didn't know this story about you building that, the prototype and B, that you have built and operated this idea in your life.
Philippe: Yeah.
Shubh: And you have not actioned it.
Shy: Yeah. I mean, but like, shout out to my parents for letting me, uh, uh, double-sided tape a thing to their garage. I don't think
Shubh: you need to shout your parents out. 'cause clearly it had utility. Otherwise we would've taken it off. That's true. They might've humored you. If I know anything about immigrant parents, they might have humored you for a little bit.
Shy: Yes.
Shubh: But at some point in the middle, like, this needs like this, this gotta go, this thing obviously was helpful. I bet you if we asked your parents, and I will, if we asked your parents, did you use the foot pedal? They will say Yes.
Shy: Likely.
Shubh: So you built a working prototype.
Shy: Mm-hmm.
Shubh: Uh, you had early signs of product market fit.
You gotta do it. You gotta do it. Uh, Chaz will do it with you.
Shy: Nice.
Shubh: Yeah. Yeah. Uh, Chaz loves using his feet. [00:39:00]
Philippe: Is that true, Chaz?
Shy: Yeah. I'm a big foot guy.
Shubh: Uh, I was hoping,
Shy: I was hoping episode 20 or 19.
Shubh: No, no, it's 20. This is episode 20. Okay, good. Talk about about the fact this is episode 20. This episode. Uh, wait, two x double x xx, this episode. Xx. Oh, yes. Yeah,
Shy: yeah. Roman numerals.
Shubh: Yeah. Here episode. It's a, yeah, I'm just saying big milestone. We are recording our 20th episode.
Oh, there you go. Yeah. We're definitely recording at least 20 episodes. We've definitely recorded at least 20 episodes.
Philippe: We've all, we, yeah. 21 actually. Technically
Shubh: 21. Yeah.
Philippe: We killed another. I
Shy: wanna know about the one that got away.
Shubh: Yeah. Philip, I, I mean, I'm, I'm like a nice human, so I haven't talked about it too much.
Phil tells everybody about everybody,
Philippe: and when I take tours at the office, I pointed at him. I go, that was the guy. So someone you work with?
Shubh: Yeah, it was our own mistake. We just kept dragging people in during the recording and, uh Oh, [00:40:00] I see. We sort of, uh,
Philippe: a cla bot was under.
Shy: Yeah.
Shubh: And the cla bott kept bringing people in.
Um,
Philippe: would you rank this?
Shubh: I, I don't, uh, shit, I love the feasibility and the fact that their 12-year-old chai built a prototype because that gives me confidence that, you know, 40 something year old chai could build a prototype. Uh. Uh, I mean, I love the visual of the, the walking work desk better.
Shy: Oh, you haven't heard the tagline yet?
Shubh: Oh, okay.
Shy: Eyes down here.
Philippe: That's kinda funny.
Shy: Yeah.
That's
Shy: amazing because you have to like get your foot on it, right?
Shubh: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh, can you give me a foot?
Shy: Could be a foot. Oh,
Shubh: yeah. Can, can you gimme a foot?
Philippe: Wait. Yeah. This is called the foot handle, right Foot.
Shubh: Also, I think there's a, there's a great spinoff idea for this toe print technology that I'm hearing so much about.
Right. We start toe printing people instead of fingerprinting people. You know, we've got a big [00:41:00] customer south of the border that wants to identify people crossing the border. Right. They wouldn't mind a little more biometric data on people.
Philippe: Yeah. But you gotta take off your socks.
Shubh: What if the technology could just take the sock off for you?
Philippe: Crawl in my, in my sock and gets it.
Shubh: Yeah. It's a little, little clo bott
Shy: that would, that you could monetize that separately as a separate thing.
Shubh: Yeah. Take my socks off for me.
Shy: Yeah.
Philippe: So what's your score?
Shubh: Uh, 59.
Philippe: 59 sauces. Uh, I'm going, my only issue is actually the aesthetics of this thing. Like mm-hmm. I'm sure you've designed it beautifully, but seeing a chain on the outside of a door, uh, is a little strange.
Shubh: Well, I don't think his, his, there's two versions of, I don't think his commercial version has to have the big chain.
Shy: Yeah. There's an internal version and one that that's,
Shubh: yeah. There is one version that's, that's in your door, you know? Yeah. And you know, you got, you got, are you selling
Philippe: doors now?
Shy: Uh, we've partnered with the door company.
Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I
Shubh: know a guy
Shy: who said, who makes doors for
Shubh: what? I know a door company guy. I know. Window and door. Company guy.
Shy: [00:42:00] Integrated
Philippe: phone. You guys have to do this.
Shubh: Oh, wait, hold on. Hold on a sec.
Philippe: This is kind of dumb idea. We're already starting
Shubh: one business. Uh, wait, you got a patio door, Phillip? You got a patio?
Philippe: Yeah. Yeah.
Shubh: Does it have a little lock at the bottom that you open with your foot? Um. Or has it just got sides? 'cause my house growing up, we had a little button pushed. Yeah. And the little thing went into the bottom.
Shy: Yes.
Shubh: So this is like a variation of that. Except I still need to use my hands like an idiot to open that door.
Shy: That's right.
Shubh: I imagine if I just push that button with my foot, it unlocked and then the patio door opened. Yeah. Woo. Oh, we get a patio door version.
Shy: Yeah.
Philippe: There's a lot of growth opportunities.
Shy: This is, yeah. Yeah.
Shubh: The sliding door version. Right. That would be different. No chain.
Shy: Yeah, that's right. Just and it works different muscles in your like you're fine.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Philippe: This to me is, I think it is still a solid idea. To me, it's a, it's a fifties. Your
Shubh: body
Philippe: language.
Shy: Okay.
Shubh: Oh, your body language was started to make it feel like it wasn't a solid idea idea. But I'm just, I'm just gonna look up extreme disappointment. I'm just gonna write [00:43:00] that off to your general, you know, what you got going on.
Philippe: Someone give me a pouch.
Shubh: Where's Phil?
Philippe: Where's my cigarette?
Shubh: He just eating a cigarette. Uh, okay, keep going. You're on a roll. Oh.
Shy: Oh yeah, I know. Now I'm like, gosh, already should, I should pitch. Uh, eucalyptus leaves, organic eucalyptus leaves with nicotine.
Shubh: What if you just hold on? What if you just, uh,
Shy: actually organic and there's actually nothing else, like, let's do it.
I would do a nicotine
Philippe: pouch. I would sell the company right now.
Shy: That would be so fun.
Shubh: There's a lot of eucalyptus based products. What if it was just leaves?
Shy: Isn't eucalyptus like, like. Famously sharp and pungent.
Shubh: That's idea. It also, it's also famously un nutritious. Do you know the koala during COVID?
Yeah. I consumed all the content and there was a documentary about koalas. Yeah. Koalas sleep 23 hours a day and all they eat is eucalyptus trees. I think [00:44:00] this is true. Shy iss looking at me like it's not true. Now I'm questioning it. 'cause you know he normally is smarter than me.
Shy: No, I I'm doing the math.
I'm like, so they, so they must be
Shubh: eating
Shy: for the
Shubh: entire hour. They they only eat eucalyptus.
Shy: Yeah.
Shubh: And the reason they sleep 23 hours a day is because the caloric return from eating eucalyptus
Shy: right.
Shubh: Is effectively nil. The only one thing, it generates zero calories. As a result, they have to fucking sleep 23 hours a day.
Shy: They should consider eating for two hours and sleeping for less. Right. Then they'd have time to do things.
Shubh: Koalas don't do anything.
Shy: Yeah.
Shubh: So yeah, people are like, oh, koalas are so adorable there. If you went and saw Koala at a thing.
Shy: Yeah,
Shubh: it would do nothing. Even if you, if you sat there and watched the Quala for two full days,
Shy: it would just be
Shubh: there two days.
It would, you would get one hour of entertainment. I'm, I'm, you know, 47 hours. Oh, I see. You'll get, you'll get there. I'm gonna time it properly so I start walking. Yeah. Otherwise the bit doesn't work. Okay. One hour. I'm just [00:45:00] saying, what if we just gave people leaves to chew on just eucalyptus leaves? No.
Anything else?
Shy: Oh, like instead of like ozempic or Moon jaw?
Shubh: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just 'cause apparently here's
Shy: your dinner.
Shubh: Yeah. You're eating this caloric, the caloric rate of return is so low.
Shy: Yeah.
Shubh: You're gonna look great.
Shy: Yeah.
Shubh: And you'll be sleeping a lot apparently. Maybe quals on or something. I wouldn't mind sleeping 23 hours a day.
Philippe: Yeah. Chaz, what do you think?
Shubh: Jaz? Like, I must be a lot of eucalyptus.
Chaz: I don't really wanna talk about naps today. It was rainy and I was working all
Shubh: day. You've been grinding buddy. You've had a, you got a real job. You got No, there's no afternoon ran naps right now.
Chaz: No.
Shubh: Holy shit.
I
Chaz: haven't napped in like two weeks.
Philippe: Dude. I'm so sorry to hear. Be
Shubh: Philip's. A little cranky today.
I'm a little cranky 'cause I'm having to work again. Chaz is cranky 'cause he's having to work again.
Philippe: I'm having a great time.
Shubh: Yeah, shy feels incredible. He's like, I'm only working 40 hours a week. Just like half as much as I was working before.
Philippe: Cha, do you ever do [00:46:00] those nicotine pouches?
Shubh: You can say no.
Don't feel pressure.
Chaz: No, those things scare me. Really. But if someone, if one of them wants to sponsor the show, I'll do one.
Shubh: Yeah, that's right. We'll take the sponsorship. Well, Chaz, would you like to eat eucalyptus and sleep for 23 hours a day? Like a koala?
Chaz: Yeah, it doesn't sound too bad.
Shubh: You gotta sleep in a tree though.
Chaz: I could probably do that.
Shubh: Okay. Uh,
Philippe: I rapid fire these next two. Okay.
Shubh: Yeah. I can't even remember how we got on that last idea, but I think people learned a lot about koalas, which ultimately
Philippe: it's, it's a side quest, right?
Shubh: Yeah. Sometimes the
Shy: secondary objectives on
Shubh: the podcast. So, so sometimes the journey is the destination except for Koala.
'cause it doesn't fucking go anywhere.
Shy: Yeah.
Shubh: It's there's no journey.
Shy: None.
Shubh: They qualit say to each other, uh, sometimes the destination is the destination. 'cause it's all they know. Yeah. They've never left their fucking tree. Sorry,
qua.
Shy: A lot of anger. [00:47:00] Yeah. It wasn't joking about being in a bad mood.
Philippe: That's right.
Qua, I'm on your side, by the way. I love,
Shubh: I love chewing on eucalyptus. Napping in a tree.
Philippe: All hit me.
Shy: Okay. Picture this
Shubh: now. You got it. You said picture this already.
Shy: I know. It's, it's a different idea though. You should
Shubh: say, imagine this
Shy: pic. No.
Shubh: Close your eyes.
Shy: No picture this. You're, you're in a meeting, right?
You guys are having a serious conversation.
Shubh: Like right now.
Shy: Like right now. Super serious conversation. And you have an idea and it's just not getting across. You get up on the whiteboard.
Shubh: Yep.
Shy: You grab the expo pen that's sitting on the desk.
Shubh: Yep.
Shy: You pull the lid off.
Shubh: Yep.
Shy: You go to write And what happens?
Philippe: It's, it's not working.
Shy: It's dead.
Philippe: It always happens.
Shy: It's dead every fucking time. And then you go and get a second one and it also doesn't work. And you get a third one and it doesn't work. And then you go out to the next board boardroom. That's right. And you get another one. And it also doesn't
Shubh: work. Yeah.
Yeah. Whiteboard pens are the
Shy: koalas of
Shubh: pens.
Shy: So this idea marries.
Shubh: Yeah,
Shy: the gig economy
Shubh: Uhhuh
Shy: with [00:48:00] PropTech.
Shubh: Okay.
Philippe: Hell yeah.
Shy: Yeah.
Shubh: You should led
Shy: this. Every building
Shubh: Yeah.
Shy: Has a concierge.
Shubh: Yep. Uhhuh,
Shy: right? What if they just had like a stockpile of expo pens?
Shubh: Yeah.
Shy: And you could order expo pens up to your office.
Shubh: Yeah.
Shy: It's there in five minutes or
Shubh: any branded whiteboard pen.
Shy: How much would you pay for an expo pen in that moment where you're trying to convey an idea?
Shubh: 40 bucks. Well,
Shy: in that 600 exact
Philippe: moment,
Shubh: how angry am I at the time?
Shy: Super angry.
Shubh: A hundred dollars.
Shy: Yeah. Right. By, by now you're on your sixth pen.
Shubh: Yeah.
Shy: Right,
Shubh: right. Well, because that meeting's expense, you've got a bunch of execs in the room that's cost those, that the cash registers ringing every minute. So
Shy: you got this a hundred dollars expo pen, $50 goes to the concierge who ran it up for you. And $50, $50 goes to the company.
Shubh: Wait, can I, can I, can I, uh, uh, can I take the human outta the loop for a sec?
Shy: Sure.
Shubh: Uh, do you remember, uh, dumb waiters? Do you know dumb waiters in, in like old timey houses, big rich people houses. Oh yeah.
Shy: Like the little, the
Shubh: little waiters. Yeah. The may. They put the, the, the [00:49:00] help puts the food in the thing. And then you, and you pull the thing and it comes up.
Philippe: Yep.
Shubh: What if the markers could just come up with a little hole in the wall?
Philippe: Well, pneumatic tubes.
Shy: Oh, reinventing
Shubh: magic tube. We, when are we talking? Were we talking about the tubes of somebody?
Shy: I get Costco.
Shubh: I was telling, explain to somebody pneumatic tubes.
Shy: Yeah. Do, wait, do like, get Costco. They used to run the, like the, the money?
Shubh: No. And I el you know, El, somebody was telling me like, well like, uh, uh, AI replaces jobs and then nothing will, like all these jobs will go away.
And I'm like, Hey, listen pal. Yeah. You know how people used to send interoffice mail to each other through tubes? Pneumatic tubes? Mm-hmm. And then we got email and guess what happened? People still have jobs. Yeah, the mail room's not there anymore. That mail guy who's like handing a little card off or putting the stuff in the tubes doesn't exist.
But he got another job.
Shy: Oh, did he? Okay. I was gonna say he's, he's out on the street.
Shubh: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he's, he's, uh, well, yeah, but they did fine pneumatic tubes. I, uh, [00:50:00] a lot of the old buildings probably still have the pneumatic tube architecture. You could just cap. Yeah. Repurpose
Philippe: that. Wouldd be fun as hell.
That'd be cool.
Shy: Yeah. Did they ever remove the architecture? The, the like, uh, the plumbing from Costcos? Like, did they take all those tubes out once
Shubh: they stop using 'em? I don't know. Hit a sub. Well, I just did 10 minutes on Canadian tires, so I don't think,
Philippe: yeah, we don't need to.
Shubh: You want me to do some time
Philippe: on Costco?
No, no. That's okay. Are you sure?
Shubh: Yeah. When you get a Costco, a lot of socks in one package.
Philippe: That's right.
Shubh: Like a tremendous number.
Philippe: Would, would, do you rate the pneumatic tubes for expo pads?
Shubh: Uh. Listen, I don't love whiteboards as much as my friend Shy does. He loves whiteboards, loves them. I like 'em.
Shy: Yeah.
Shubh: But I, I also really like things that, that capture me in the moment of extreme frustration. Yeah. Because I'm ready. I will buy
Shy: nothing more frustrating than six death
Shubh: Facebook
Shy: pens.
Shubh: Yeah. What are we always talking about from a sales perspective? The, if you can find them in the moment of need or moment of pain.
Yes. That's and moment of necessity,
Shy: pure qualification right there.
Shubh: Yeah. You will pay
Shy: high intent.
Shubh: You will [00:51:00] pay. I think this is an incredible idea. Uh, I think this is actually better than either of the other ideas.
Shy: Wow.
Philippe: What?
Shy: Yeah.
Shubh: Yeah.
Shy: Even I'm like, what?
Shubh: This is because you fucking,
Shy: you have been in a
Shubh: room with me at Zune where I have taken pens and thrown them as hard as I can.
Shy: Yeah. Uh,
Shubh: off the wall. Yeah. After they don't work.
Shy: Yeah.
Shubh: Out of, in, out of frustration.
Shy: Frustration.
Shubh: Yeah. It was all in good fun.
Shy: Yes.
Shubh: Just in case there's any labor lawyers out there.
Shy: Yeah.
Shubh: Right. Uh, or I throw 'em in the garbage can as hard as I can.
Shy: Yeah.
Shubh: Uh, so I think this one really just speaks to my combination of wanting a pen and, uh, my hair trigger.
So maybe it just speaks, it really speaks to me.
Shy: Yeah. And I mean, like, if you, if you look at a, you know, a 40 story building
Shubh: Yeah.
Shy: Like, guaranteed at any given moment in a day, there's at least 12 people who are experiencing this, right?
Shubh: Yep.
Shy: Yeah.
Shubh: People pay so much money for those stupid [00:52:00] whiteboards. I would pay 20 bucks for a fucking pen that worked.
Shy: Yep.
Shubh: So, uh, yeah. 66 Ss.
Shy: Wow.
Shubh: 66 Ss. Write it on the whiteboard with a pen that's functioning Phillip.
Philippe: 66 sauces.
Shubh: Yeah.
Philippe: It's so fucked for this dumb ass
Shubh: idea. I guess you've just never run big important meetings like I have. Oh,
Philippe: true,
Shy: true. Yes. Yeah, I have. True,
Shubh: true, true. But have you run them,
Shy: you get this CLO bot to do it firm.
Shubh: Have you run them with a whiteboard?
Philippe: Yes, of course. I'm a big analog guy.
Shubh: Yeah, that's true. Yeah. And you are a businessman, but this never happened to you.
Philippe: Uh, it's happened to me, but like, eventually you find one, it is super annoying. Eventually you find one, but even in
Shubh: that moment, yeah. But then you've lost all the momentum.
You're pitching. A big, big sponsor comes out, Philip, we're bringing the, we're bringing the President of the Americas out here to hear your pitch on sponsorship. You're like, yes, we, and you're, and you're in the room. Hold on, let me finish. His name is, uh, Frank Frank's in the room. Frank's come and Frank's looking at his watch 'cause he's like, I don't like how my [00:53:00] team dragged me in.
Here he is wearing a fancy suit. Right. You picturing this?
Philippe: Yeah, I'm picturing it.
Shubh: Yeah. And his team is like,
Shy: he's like, honestly, no, I'm not his, I'm thinking, I'm thinking about nicotine pouches.
Shubh: His team, his team's getting a little nervous. 'cause Frank looks a little unsettled. But you start, yeah. And the pitch is strong.
It's like Frank's like starting to lean in and suddenly you, Frank goes, uh, Phil, maybe you could just walk me through how this could work on the whiteboard and you go Absolutely. I could, Frank. It's closing time. It's closing time. Quar, quarter of a million dollars. He's gonna be, he's got the fucking checkbook out and he's got a pen that's written the two already.
He's
Philippe: salivating. He's
Shubh: ready. Yeah. He's just like, oh man, this guy's amazing. And you go to write on the whiteboard. Boom. Momentum's. Yeah. And then, and then he sees you a little flustered. He's like, this guy's got,
Philippe: it's a compelling story, but the, the solve isn't a mix of PropTech and the gig economy. Like, it's just like scheduling deliveries, Amazon deliveries of, no,
Shubh: we adjusted, we adjusted the pitch to be more a real time tube or [00:54:00] elevator related.
Philippe: Yeah. I do really like pneumatic tubes just 'cause I wanna bring those back. 'cause that'd
Shy: be fun. And if the solution was scheduling deliveries of, of pens via Amazon, people wouldn't be having this problem. Let's, right. That's been available for years.
Philippe: That's true.
Shubh: Yeah. Sorry. So you, you, I was, I cut you off.
We, you, you were gonna score it and then I gotta thing to add about the tubes.
Philippe: So to me this is like a 35.
Shubh: It's actually better than fuck you Phil. So hold on, let's back to the tubes for a sec. So the tubes are bringing me markers.
Philippe: Yep.
Shubh: You know, we're so used to getting stuff in real time, like or neo realtime being able to order it.
Shy: Yeah.
Shubh: I think the tubes are the distribution for the corporate Amazon. Purchaser.
Shy: Oh, okay. So you're, yeah. So forget drones. Let's just run tubes to everyone's
Shubh: home. I am, I am inventorying. Oh, no, no, no. I mean at the office. Oh,
Shy: like just corporate delivery?
Shubh: Yeah. You know, the old mail room space that we're sure is down there?
Shy: Yeah. Yeah.
Shubh: I'm inventorying some commonly required items. Beep boop. I'm bringing the mail room guy back. Hey, hey, AI's taken your [00:55:00] job, email took your job. Now I'm bringing the mail guy's job back.
Shy: Mm-hmm.
Shubh: And it's real time delivery. Yeah. Fucking Instacart for offices.
Shy: Yeah. I mean, I, I gotta be honest, I'm kind of with Phil on this idea.
If I were to give this a sausage, but what do you, what do you, it'd be, it'd be like the low twenties.
Shubh: What, what do you think about my, uh, my Instacart for office equipment on site?
Shy: Like via pneumatic tubes.
Philippe: It's
Shubh: just not obviously via tubes. Yeah.
Shy: It's just not, it's a lot of infrastructure for That's a problem.
That's like imminently
Shubh: solving buy apartment. Uh, Philip, uh, Phillip Protectors continues to grow shy. Our thing continues to grow. We need office. We need bigger office space.
Shy: Okay. Yeah.
Shubh: Walk into a building and they go. We just put these pneumatic tubes in.
Yeah.
Shubh: Are we signing instantly?
Shy: I mean, probably not.
We'd, we'd probably be like, uh, what's the rent? And then,
Shubh: no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You guys, yeah, no, you like, you guys are being too, um, you're just in the [00:56:00] weeds.
Shy: Yeah.
Shubh: You walk in there, club guys. You walk in there and there's this like, and they look cool. They're like, uh, kind of industrial at the industrial ceiling.
They silver.
Shy: Are they silver? Or C3?
Shubh: They're, they gotta be C3. You weird. Yeah. You,
Shy: you gotta see the pens
Shubh: and then, and you look up and you're like, what are those tubes? And they go, well, that's how, um, that's how we get pens and paper to each other.
Philippe: You know? I, you know, the, the company Kube, it'd be cool if Kuby was just,
Shubh: I was just talking to Kuby last week.
Philippe: Yeah. Pneumatic
Shubh: tubes. I'm gonna talk to, I'm gonna text Dawson and be like, what if you could get your food out in tubes?
Philippe: Yeah.
Shubh: He'd probably be like, Shub, uh, lose my number.
Philippe: But it's kind of, that would be a fun way to consume
Shubh: food. It could only be subs though.
Philippe: That's it. That's it.
Shubh: Like who stuck a pizza in the pneumatic tube?
Shy: Why is this pizza folded instead
Shubh: of this way? Okay. I think it's bullshit that you guys are, are lying and saying pneumatic tubes would not be a deal closer for you guys to, to pick up on, okay,
Shy: so two offices that are, that are the same rent, the same condition.
Shubh: Well obviously in that case make cube. The question is how much
Philippe: It honestly [00:57:00] wouldn't even be that much of a seller.
Like everything is equal and one they deliver you office supplies through Atic Tube. I'd be like,
Shubh: Philip, listen
Philippe: Philip, much. Like honestly, it might be, it might make the opposite decision because I would be like, you're just like you. You guys are making the wrong choices. Your computer.
Shubh: Okay, but hold on.
Hold on. What the fuck? Philip, you're an easily distractable fellow. I'm an easily distractable fellow,
Philippe: right?
Shubh: Don't you think you'd be highly entertained if you know you're right. Oh man, I'm just grinding through this pitch deck. And a little like, and then I can, and then we, like, maybe we gamble a little how many tube things you think are gonna fly by in the next three minutes.
Shy: Sounds like this pitch is going real well,
Shubh: right? Yeah. And then suddenly it's like, oh, it broke up the doldrum
Shy: mm-hmm.
Shubh: Of my day where I've done nothing but work and now I get to see some shit fly around in tubes. I think you guys, I respectfully are, are not, I don't think you see it the way I do.
Shy: No. Yeah.
I mean, I think you're like, today was a [00:58:00] hard day. You had to work,
Shubh: piece of work,
Shy: you know,
Shubh: two tubes
Shy: if tubes are
here.
Shubh: Actually it's been three straight days of working. Three straight
Shy: days of
Shubh: working. Yeah. Oh, I could've used the fucking have, let me have a sit and a little coffee and tube watch and uh, be like, uh, what's going through the tube and
Shy: what's on the, what's on the tube?
Shubh: Where, what's going through the tube? Where's it going and what's the story behind?
Shy: Yeah.
Shubh: Like, right. Like who ordered that? Uh uh, uh, uh, eraser. Why? They're still using a pencil. They need an eraser.
Shy: Yeah.
Shubh: It's a notebook that's
Shy: wrong. Feels I'm still at 30 times. It's actually gone down. It's, it's like, it's like now in the 10.
Shubh: It's a, it's a notebook that's rolled. What, what are some, uh, tech Thursday ever give away any swag?
Philippe: Uh, sometimes.
Shubh: What kind of swag Ever given away socks before?
Philippe: Um, I'm trying to think of what we, like. We've given away Garmin watches.
Shubh: No, you should give away tube socks and they should get delivered to everybody through Tube.
Philippe: Okay. That's enough. Alright. Gimme
Shubh: your last bit. You can't say that's enough. It's my show. That's not how [00:59:00] this works. Uh, uh go ahead. She,
Shy: the, the last one is the semi-serious one.
Shubh: Oh. Oh. You're finishing on a serious one?
Shy: Yes.
Shubh: Okay. Is it tubes
Shy: Because
Shubh: I'm a professional.
Philippe: Is this your best one you reckon?
Shy: No.
Philippe: No.
Shy: Okay. Just, yeah.
Shubh: Is it tube related?
Shy: No. The best one that happened at the live event that was
Shubh: isn't about either tubes or Quas. 'cause I, it's not
Shy: about Kleenex. It's not about workstations.
Shubh: Oh yeah. This is actually shy. We forgot Hai pitch an idea at the live show.
Philippe: Yeah, that's right.
Shubh: He pitch making things, uh, to Kleenex box is easier.
Philippe: You, you're gonna have to draw that one up still for me. 'cause I have no idea what
Shubh: Yep. Stop. Stop knocking around on the table.
Shy: Sorry. I fidgets.
Shubh: I know, right? You know what? Would you be better for your fidgeting watching some tubes?
Shy: That's true.
Shubh: Okay. Keep going. You're like
this
Shy: editing is gonna be so fucking hard.
Okay. So
Shubh: Yep.
Shy: Picture this.
Shubh: I'm pictured
Shy: you are at your desk, you're doing your monthly budgeting, you're looking at all your expenses. Uhhuh to get them through.
Shubh: Yep.
Shy: Right. You get 'em all done. Yeah. But then there's that really annoying expenses.
Shubh: Yeah.
Shy: The Costcos.
Shubh: Yeah.
Shy: The Amazons
Shubh: Canadian tires. [01:00:00]
Shy: The Canadian tires.
Shubh: Yep.
Shy: Right. What's annoying
Philippe: business.
Shy: Personal business doesn't really matter.
Shubh: Okay.
Shy: Maybe more it matters more for personal. 'cause you wanna know where your money's going. Right? Like what are you spending it on? Is it food? Is it clothes? I think
Shubh: I prefer not to know, but keep
Shy: going. Yep. Well, for those people who do budget,
Shubh: yes.
Shy: Those types of establishments are very annoying because Yep. You don't know what the purchase was. It was like four weeks ago. Okay. Like I bought something from Costco. Was it a desk or was it Apples? Like a lot of apple. Yeah.
Shubh: Like,
Shy: you know, it's like Right.
Shubh: Especially for a store with this wide ranging of inventories.
Canadian tire.
Shy: Correct. Shut a Canadian tire.
Shubh: Yeah.
Shy: Um, uh, so yeah, so this is like a, a little add-on to your budgeting tool. Whatever you use that goes into your, um, accounts and grabs the actual orders and sees what's on the receipts. Because you can do that with Amazon, you can do that with Costco, you can do that with shoppers, you can do that, whatever, or goes into your email and then takes the items in the receipt and splits up your, splits up your, uh, budgeting item.
Shubh: Wait, there's nothing that does this already.
Shy: I [01:01:00] dunno. I didn't really do a lot of research. I'm not, what am I, who am I Brooke on?
Philippe: This exists on, this exists on the business side, but if it doesn't exist on the consumer side, it should,
Shubh: but does it exist on the business side?
Philippe: Well, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I mean at
Shubh: least
Philippe: like
Shubh: it doesn't itemize like on an individual level.
Something on a, on a receipt.
Philippe: No. Yeah. What?
Shy: Yeah, just it just, can you make a sound clip without noise? Throw your little button thing.
Shubh: Yeah. Oh yeah. That's great. I wish I knew how to do that. Yeah. Uh,
Philippe: that's crazy. Well, we should definitely build that then.
Shubh: Yeah. But you can sell to all the banks, like, like when you take the purchase, you get the thing and you upload the receipt and then it tells you and it categorizes an itemizes.
Everything.
Shy: Like on the individual item.
Shubh: Yeah. I want, how much are bananas? I dunno. Do you have any idea how much bananas are? I could not begin to tell you.
Philippe: 3 9, 9 a pound. I bought some [01:02:00] yesterday.
Shubh: Shit. Okay. Uh,
Shy: 3 99. Where are you buying bananas? That's a deal. It's like, no, that's not a deal.
Shubh: 3 99 a pound for bananas is a good deal.
See, I don't know how much bananas are. I'm just speaking with incredible authority.
Shy: I'm pretty sure bananas are. 89 cents per kilogram.
Philippe: What? Oh, maybe,
Shy: maybe not. Where are you
Shubh: buying?
Shy: It's per hundred gram. I don't know.
Shubh: Where are you buying? Uh, where are you buying your bananas still?
Philippe: I went to co-op yesterday.
Shubh: Oh yeah. You're definitely, you're definitely paying more. Yeah.
Philippe: I think
Shy: it's a lot of thought of
Shubh: banana.
Philippe: The whole thing was a little expensive, I'll tell you that.
Shy: Yeah. Imagine if you got itemized that receipt. You
Shubh: bananas are, yes. I was right about a dollar a pound. Uh, you get a single banana at Walmart for 44 cents.
Shy: Hmm.
Shubh: You get a, how much
Shy: does the banana weigh? I think of one banana is that it's less than a pound.
Philippe: Yeah.
Shy: Well, less than a pound.
Shubh: Hold on. How much is pound? I
Shy: mean,
Shubh: one pack, one pound of bananas is three bananas.
Philippe: Have I told you about this? Uh, chu I, I, uh,
Shubh: I've, no,
Philippe: I, I didn't, I haven't had a car for a [01:03:00] long time.
I just recently bought a car.
Shy: Yeah.
Philippe: Um, and so the only grocery store in my neighborhood was a, um, organic grocery store. Yeah. Rushed lane.
Shubh: Yeah.
Shy: Oh yeah.
Philippe: And so I would always go.
Shubh: Yeah.
Philippe: And even when I bought a car, I still went 'cause it was convenient. It was part of my routine.
Shy: Mm-hmm.
Philippe: Um, and uh, only recently did I start going to the regular grocery store.
Yeah.
Shubh: It's a lot
Philippe: cheaper. And I was like, what the fuck is everyone complaining about?
Shubh: Yeah. This is so cheap. Deflation. Yeah.
Philippe: I was like immediate,
Shubh: but honestly,
Philippe: and I was like, I'm, I'm gonna fall out.
Shubh: I do think the stuff at Blush Lane is better though.
Shy: Is it though? Yeah,
Shubh: I don't know. It taste, it tastes better.
Blush, like legitimately. We just went back to blush after a long time. Yeah. 'cause you know when you have young kids you buy orga and then you're like, ah. Does it matter? Yeah. Then I read this big article about organic produce. Pesticides. Yeah, produce.
Shy: Produce. I blush things
Shubh: about, I've been to get some pink lady apples from blush.
Shy: Those are good apples. It's
Shubh: good. Apples salute.
Philippe: Pink Ladies of the
Shubh: bed. Dynamite.
Shy: Can we do a quick segment on apples? 'cause like,
Shubh: you know, who else loves pink? Uh, Brooke Han loves Pink Lady.
Shy: Oh, is that right? Is that the favorite? Is that her favorite? Apple
Shubh: loves 'em. Yeah.
Philippe: It's
Shy: my
Philippe: [01:04:00] favorite Apple for
Shy: sure. Is it really?
Philippe: Yeah. Yeah. We had 'em in the farm in Tasmania actually.
Shy: Oh really?
Philippe: Yeah.
Shy: What, what? Oh, I didn't know you lived in Tasmania.
Philippe: Yeah, for three months I worked on an Is that where you
Shy: developed that impeccable accent?
Shubh: Once a Tasmanian accent? No, Tasmania. The Tasmania accent was like blah, blah, blah. Then again, you gotta spin around, spin around in circles.
Philippe: Actually, one time I was, I was, I was walking with a,
Shubh: with a desk?
Philippe: No, with a cooler
Shy: damn
Philippe: on the farm. And did you
Shy: have to open a
Shubh: door?
Philippe: I didn't have the, but the farmer rolls up. She, she's going Did you
Shy: have to explain any concepts? Did hold on. Did you buy anything? Uh,
Shubh: okay. Keep going.
Philippe: Okay. But, uh, this is just to give you a sense of like how they speak in Tasmania or in Australia more generally, but, uh, as she's driving a truck and I'm holding a, a cooler [01:05:00] and she goes, oy, you wanna put the KY in the ute?
Do you wanna put the esky and the ute? I,
Shubh: I, I tried to teach you how to do an Australian accident a couple
Philippe: weeks ago. Yeah. You say that Esky and the ute.
Shubh: I, I, I don't think I, I can't,
Philippe: do you know what that means? Esky in the ute?
Shubh: Is it the cooler in the trunk,
Philippe: in the truck? Yeah. The utility vehicle and the esky, the Eskimo
Shubh: and the Ute,
Philippe: which you don't say anymore.
Yeah, but they do in Australia. They do. Yeah.
Shubh: Right. Yeah.
Shy: They're not as close to it, so they don't have to be as sensitive.
Philippe: I should, I, I presume,
Shubh: uh, Australians are, I mean, famously a little insensitive.
Philippe: Right?
Shubh: That's a, that's a real thing.
Philippe: Yeah.
Shubh: I'm not just,
Philippe: they also say, they also say. Don't, don't just, just don't, just don't.
I do want this episode to air
Shubh: once, uh, or once we're talking to an Australian fellow and he was telling us a story and he is like, yeah. And so we met a couple of bids last night. Yeah. And you, you know what bids are. And I said to him, uh, yeah, over here we call them [01:06:00] women.
Shy: Yes.
Shubh: And he was like, uh, you know who it was?
Shy: Yeah, yeah,
Shubh: yeah. He was like, uh, uh, like I offended him somehow by using the, the proper
Shy: term by calling women, women, not
Shubh: birds.
Shy: Yeah.
Shubh: You know, want Australia be better
Shy: fucking
Shubh: koalas are from Australia,
Shy: you know, you know, I'm glad that all the anger's coming out, uh, on Australia against instead of my ideas.
Shubh: That's
Shy: great. Yeah. Yeah.
Shubh: Unless your idea was Australia related.
Shy: Yeah.
Shubh: Um, what was that last idea again?
Shy: It was the budget thing.
Shubh: Yeah. The budget thing is, it's actually
Shy: brilliant.
Shubh: It's a really good idea.
Shy: Oh, okay.
Shubh: So you're talking about
Shy: it might exist, just
Shubh: you're, it might exist,
Shy: we don't know,
Shubh: but, uh, if we don't know about it, you like budgeting.
I don't like budgeting because, uh, I like to make impulse buys and I don't want to
Shy: to know.
Shubh: Yeah. I don't, I don't want to look back and go, why I shouldn't have bought that thing.
Shy: Yeah.
Shubh: I don't know why people are like, why are you buying so many light bulbs? Oh, 'cause I'm making awards for people. Come on the podcast.
Shy: I mean, just, just to be clear. Like Debbie and I used to budget.
Shubh: Yeah.
Shy: It's [01:07:00] been a, it's been a while.
Shubh: Yeah.
Shy: It's been hard to find the time.
Shubh: Is that your fault? But partially of this problem. Your fault or Deb's
Shy: fault. Totally my fault. Yeah,
Shubh: I know.
Shy: Yeah. You know the, you know the answer to that,
Shubh: Phillip? Uh, uh, you wanna rate the budgeting idea?
Philippe: Yeah. It's
Shubh: actually brilliant. Needs a name.
Philippe: The fact that it hasn't been built yet, which it seems like the technology exists to just for people who like budget, like I don't really like budgeting. I'll fuck with that. But, um, the fact that it doesn't exist,
Shubh: sign
how
Shy: much, for those of you who aren't in the room, you did a little gangster something.
How much,
Shubh: much, uh, how much money are you gonna be saving on these? Uh, on the nicotine? That's gotta be expensive.
Philippe: Uh, no, it's not even that much.
Shubh: What's one of those tins cost more than a banana. I bet.
Philippe: Yeah, but hardly $15.
Shubh: That hardly.
Philippe: We just
Shy: established and remember, t like buying $17 bananas. Don't you forget,
Shubh: but um, okay, so should
Philippe: I just, but I buy those like once every two weeks.
So
Shy: bananas or, or, [01:08:00]
Philippe: or the nicotine? Both.
Shubh: Uh, don't put your bananas in the fridge. You know that, right?
Philippe: Yeah, of course. Yeah, yeah.
Shubh: In the fridge. Well, Phil likes to prop up his fridge with prop food, so it looks like it. Oh, I forgot about this now.
Shy: It's
Shubh: called got, okay. So sorry.
Shy: You can put prop bananas in the fridge that way if you were so inclined.
Philippe: Yeah, if you want. Yeah,
Shy: yeah, yeah.
Shubh: What do you got?
Philippe: Uh, so they, I mean, the fact
Shubh: that it needs a name though,
Philippe: doesn't exist is, is, is crazy to me.
Shubh: Yeah.
Philippe: Uh, and technology exists, so to me, I think it's, uh, it's actually a, a 72 SSA idea.
Shy: Wow.
Philippe: It's like a brilliant idea.
Shy: Like, and like not to sell the sold, but this is the primary impediment to automated budgeting.
Right. Like, this is the reason why you can't budget automatically.
Shubh: Yeah. I'm just thinking like, you just take a, would you have the discipline to take a picture of your receipt every time?
Shy: You don't need to.
Shubh: Why?
Shy: Just connect it into your, your email.
Shubh: But what if when you're buying things physically,
Shy: oh, sorry.
You connect it into your bank and then it recognizes Amazon, it goes into your Amazon account, gets the order.
Shubh: Okay. But that's Amazon. What if I'm [01:09:00] shopping at, say, uh, blush Lane, and I wanna know how much money I spent on bananas specifically? Well, you, you're just bundling all food together.
Shy: Well, well, like what do you do when you budget?
You're like food. Well, do you, do you, do you, oh,
Philippe: I thought you were taking photos of the receipt and it was
itemized.
Shubh: Yeah. 'cause like potato, like potato chips or bananas or two different kinds of food.
Shy: Oh yeah. If you wanted to budget at like the junk food versus like your food level.
Shubh: Yeah. Yeah. That's what I want.
Shy: That's like
Shubh: I need a little more detail.
Shy: Then you do need to take pictures of the receipt. That feature is available.
Shubh: Yeah. Okay. I'm not ready to rate this idea as highly.
Shy: Oh wow. Okay.
Shubh: Not because I don't think it's a good idea because it's just not for me.
Shy: Okay, okay.
Shubh: You know what I mean? Yeah. So I'm gonna give this two ratings.
One is, uh, the market, what the market would rate it.
Shy: Okay. I
Shubh: think the market will rate it a 65 sauce idea.
Shy: All right.
Shubh: Uh, shrub's rating, 27 sauces.
Shy: Wow.
Shubh: Because I just don't like to budget. I like, I gotta, I gotta, I gotta, I gotta, I I know the pie. It's in my head all the time.
Shy: Yep.
Shubh: I know what I can and can't spend.
I don't like, as, you know, I don't love the details all
Shy: the time. Yeah, yeah. But still I'm questioning something. Yeah, yeah, [01:10:00] yeah. You rated the, you rated the pneumatic tube idea like 74.
Shubh: Oh, you got, I, I actually, uh, while we were talking, I ordered a, a pneumatic tube system for my house.
Shy: Yeah. Yeah.
Shubh: Do you remember, uh, shy, you'll remember this grown up when they, maybe they, I don't know if they do this anymore, the central VAX where they ran the vacuum tube Oh.
To your house, and then the vacuum drum was in your garage.
Shy: Yes. Yeah. We still have one of those whenever you,
Shubh: my parents. My dad still got one of those. I, uh, cool. Yeah.
Shy: Could you retrofit that to be a pneumatic tube delivery system?
Philippe: Just turn it the other way,
Shy: just, just,
Shubh: just reverse the polarity.
Shy: Yeah.
Actually it wouldn't be that hard to retro, but you just have to, you said to turn the thing around,
Shubh: but No, but then all, yeah.
Shy: Yeah.
Shubh: No, they would just shoot it out wherever. Yeah. How would you guide it appropriately? Oh,
Shy: good point.
Shubh: You just, well, actually it would be fine because it, it only sucked through the, when you opened the little flap, the thing in,
Shy: you'd have to load it every time from your basement and [01:11:00] it would just show up in a random.
Shubh: Any, any, any builders or contractors or vacuum people out there? Do you think we could use a vacuum central vac for pneumatic tube delivery? I would be in.
Philippe: What'd you think of, uh, your total rating? Uh, like so
Shy: on average, I didn't do the AI thing this time.
Philippe: Yeah,
Shubh: yeah, yeah,
Shy: because I'm busy trying to focus on not knocking this microphone.
Shubh: I think you're like, uh, around
Shy: 50. I think I'm, I think I'm pretty good.
Shubh: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You did fantastic. You did great. Yeah. And you had a high volume of ideas. You had an idea you'd previously, uh, prototyped.
Shy: Yes.
Shubh: Um, you know what, you should make one for this off
Shy: a fiddle.
Shubh: Yeah, you use a foot, right? You're always hauling that stuff out for Tech Thursday, the speakers and whatnot.
Philippe: It's true.
Shubh: What if it was already installed for you?
Philippe: Yeah. Uh, he shows up tomorrow. There's just bunch chain on his doors.
Shubh: It needs two feet though.
Philippe: Yeah.
Shubh: It's like the nuclear codes. Yes. You two people have to use their foot.
Philippe: Yeah. [01:12:00] How much worse?
Shubh: Okay. Shy buddy. Thank you very much for coming in.
Philippe: Absolute
Shubh: pleasure.
Thank you for having, uh, four very good ideas. Thank you for, uh, building on one of Chaz's ideas. Mm-hmm. That's gonna make Chaz feel great about himself. Uh, and he needs a win today. He was working his ass off. So thanks for, uh, uh, just bringing back the whole concept of pneumatic tubes into my life.
Shy: Yeah.
Yeah.
Shubh: And next time, Philip, you are at a whiteboard and the marker runs out. I want you to think back to the moment when you said you didn't like this idea.
Philippe: I will text you. I feel like I'm gonna text you in like 2029. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey guys, it happened. I'm gonna go back into the thin air office and steal all expo pen.
Shubh: Yeah. And it won't be like, I just lost a big deal to be like, I just had a mildly annoying conversation because I couldn't whiteboard it out. So I
Philippe: instead install the tubes.
Shubh: Yeah. Give you the tubes. Uh, okay. And, uh, you know, uh, buildings out there, put the tubes back.
Shy: Mm-hmm.
Shubh: We want the tubes back. Well, I want the tubes back.
Back from an entertainment perspective.
Shy: [01:13:00] Yep.
Shubh: Uh, these guys are apparently against tubes, but I'm for the tubes.
Shy: Yeah. Good, good, good spot.
Shubh: Remember Al Gore, what he called the internet, just a series of tubes. Shout out Al Gore once again. Shy. Thanks for coming in. I'll see you, you know, pretty much every moment of your life for the next several months.
Philippe: Yep. That's so exciting.
Shubh: Yeah, Phil. Thanks. Thanks cha. Bye everybody.
Philippe: Thank you gang.
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