YBIOTL Episode 22 Publish
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Shubh: [00:00:00] Uh, pause.
Welcome... Come on, Chaz. Fuck. Sorry. I'm asleep. What's
Chaz: your new catchphrase? Pause? Yeah. Why?
Shubh: Welcome to episode 22 of Your Business is on the Line, Canada's number one business comedy podcast. I'm here today with, uh, guest Garth MacAdam.
Garth: Did you forget?
Shubh: I did. Uh, with special guest Garth MacAdam, uh, producer Chaz Somers, co-host Philippe Burns.
This is the podcast where serious people come on and pitch us unserious business ideas. What do you think of that? [00:01:00] Uh, that's pretty good. It's pretty good. I, I read that by Rita today. She said... I was like, "What do you think of this catchphrase for the pause?" She said, "It's too long." I was like, "It's too long?
I don't know about that."
Philippe: It's, like, six words. Yeah. I
Shubh: thought it was pretty good. I think it's, uh... Maybe I didn't say as it, uh, I said it too boring to her. Chaz, what do you think?
Chaz: I think Rita knows best. Whatever she says, I'm with her. Yeah,
Shubh: with the exception of one decision she's made in her life, she definitely knows best.
Hm. Garth, this is very exciting that you're here. Uh, Philippe, you and Garth just met. Um, Garth was, uh, was, well, was a colleague of mine for many years at ZayZoon, is still the, the general counsel at ZayZoon. That's a lawyer. Right, in-house lawyer. Mm-hmm. In-house lawyer. That's how you know we were a big deal at ZayZoon, is we had our own lawyer.
We had a, although we had our, our lawyer really early, though.
Garth: Well, it's an important space. Oh, wow. Yeah,
Shubh: at least, you know. That's the most professional thing I've ever heard you say.
Garth: Well, no, I was an [00:02:00] extremely important hire. Perhaps the most- Of all of us ... important hire. Yeah. Have you been in-house
Philippe: for a long time?
Garth: Uh, effectively all my legal career, yeah, so. Really? I did not work at a firm. Um, I graduated in 2009, and economic collapse, and so I went oil and gas in-house right away, and, uh- Did it ... never looked back. Okay.
Shubh: So Garth and I, like I said, worked together for many years at ZayZoon. Philippe, you don't know Garth that well.
What you should know- Of all the people in my phone, other than my wife, the most text messages I've exchanged with an- another human being in my life.
Philippe: Whoa. Oh. That's an honor. Yeah. Why do you guys text so much? I don't speak a lot. I
Garth: don't use my mouth a lot. Yes, that's right.
Shubh: He, uh, the... If you ever wanted to ruin Garth's whole day at ZayZoon, you'd text him and say, "Hey, uh, G-Mac, can we jump on the phone for a second?"
Yeah. Oh, really? Yeah, he's one of those guys. Does not love it. It's... So the fact that he's now on a podcast.
Philippe: Yeah. How- How does it feel to be speaking to thousands of people? Yeah,
Shubh: he's
Philippe: on
Shubh: a four-way phone call. I
Garth: try to think of it as I'm just speaking to Chaz. You know?
Shubh: Ch-
Garth: Chaz is the only person. He [00:03:00] does
Shubh: love Chaz, too.
It's so frustrating.
Garth: Oh, he's
Shubh: the nicest man on the planet. He... Bah. I mean, mm. Uh, yeah, but Garth and I worked together for a very long time. Um, he, uh... I don't know, Garth, if I should say this, but, uh, was, uh, ear- in the early days, pretty well-renowned at ZayZoon for being the second most inappropriate person at ZayZoon.
Philippe: Who's the... Obviously you.
Shubh: No.
Philippe: No. Who, Chaz? I, I would say third.
Shubh: Yeah, that's true. Yeah. Yeah. The- That is
Philippe: staggering Two of the co-founders.
Shubh: Two of the founders. Okay. We won't tell you which ones. It wasn't Darcy. Okay. Who's the
Philippe: third founder? Yeah, Jamie.
Shubh: Oh, right. You know Jamie. Of course,
Philippe: Jamie. Yeah.
Shubh: Um, but Garth, uh, I was shocked when you said you agreed to do this podcast.
Can we talk about this for a second? Because you don't like... Is it 'cause of Chaz? Is it purely just 'cause of Chaz you're doing it?
Garth: No, kind of you both, so it's fun. It's, uh, the concept is fun, too, for the podcast. It's, uh, kind of like the IG Nobel Awards, which I think are amazing, and [00:04:00] yeah. So it's kind of like that, but for business podcasts.
Shubh: Here's the other thing you don't know about Garth. Both Chaz and I said Shai is the smartest guy we know. Uh, Garth is right there, maybe, but what Garth has on Shai, is Garth is the most knowledgeable person I've ever met. Oh, wow. Just knows everything about anything. Mm. In fact, I think the one person who's really, who's benefited from AI professionally, but personally, I would say has not, because now I, I c- I now have a robot that actually knows more than you do.
Garth: Stealing my thunder.
Shubh: Yeah.
Garth: It'd be like,
Philippe: it'd be like- That's huge Yeah, Opus 4.7. You're like, "What the hell?" He, he'd be like- "Calm
Shubh: down." He'd be like, "In medieval times, this happened." What did you just say? We were, we were, we were in the podcast room, and I was talking about something. Oh, you said beer is the most hydrating...
Garth said if he was gonna come on, we needed to have a beer. Which reminds me of the Diary of a CEO podcast, where they pump the oxygen in, except we don't have that kind of technology- ... so we're just gonna drink, we're just gonna drink the beer. So I'm gonna open mine now. Um, and then Philippe said you, you said you, you [00:05:00] gotta run, so you didn't wanna go drink a beer first.
And then Garth said beer is, uh, better than Gatorade when it comes to hydrating the human body.
Garth: Yeah, there was a study in Australia done for... And I think it's after the run, not before. All right. But for immediate hydration immediately after running, just l- it's just our beer. It's not getting pounded beers
Philippe: or anything like that.
Right. I, I, I think I've seen that, where, like, the first beer is incredible, and then, like, the drop-off is significant after the second or third. I don't think that's just for running, honestly.
Shubh: Uh, like any of my friends. You know what I notice the people our age, Garth? A lot pe- a lot of people are drinking less.
Garth: Yeah, I'd say so.
Shubh: Everybody's kinda like, "Eh, no, I don't, I don't do that anymore."
Garth: Eh, I wouldn't say quite that, but- A lot of people- They do that less ...
Shubh: there's a lot of non-alcoholic, uh, drinks. Uh- Yeah ... hey, speaking of Darcy Too, he's got a non-alcoholic brewery, Tuesday Brewing.
Philippe: Yeah. Is that a free ad plug? Oh, I forgot that that was his.
Shubh: Yeah. Yeah. Well- Okay ... it's a free ad plug that I'll, I guess we'll invoice him for
Garth: They should sponsor.
Shubh: Yeah. Hey, Tuesday, sponsor this [00:06:00] podcast. And we're drinking Tuesdays right now. Yeah, yeah. There's no camera, right? Yeah, there's no camera. Yeah, yeah. We're drinking Tuesdays. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, so, uh, G-Mac, anything else you wanna talk about before we get into the meat of the program?
Garth: Uh, no. I love what you guys are doing. It's a great show, so it's, uh-
Shubh: Tell me about yourself, though. Who are you? Yeah. This is actually, I, I'm- ... I know this podcast room is hot. I just got a little flush 'cause, uh, Garth does not compliment anything.
Philippe: Yeah. But yeah, who- I- ... who is Garth? Oh, yeah.
Garth: Uh- What
Philippe: is Garth?
Garth: Oh, I mean, this was the dream, is to come on and talk about myself on a podcast.
Shubh: Oh, man, loves to talk about himself. It's his favorite, yeah.
Garth: Um, I'm Garth. Okay. I, uh, I went to school or college here in Canada, uh, poli sci, econ. Um, with that, you either become a lawyer, professor, or unemployed. Uh-huh. And, uh, so I went the lawyer route and, uh, went down to Philly to do my law school, and- Shout
Shubh: out Temple
Garth: Temple, yeah. You went to Temple. Yeah. Home of Bill Cosby. Yeah,
Philippe: yeah, yeah. Yeah. [00:07:00] That was me. It used to be
Shubh: a, used, was a point of pride at one point for the Temple folks.
Philippe: Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Do you think he's still on the notable alumni list? No, they removed him. Uh, justifiably.
Garth: Yes.
Philippe: No, just you up there.
Yeah, one day
Garth: Yeah, hopefully not removed for some reason. Yeah hopefully, yeah. Uh, yeah, got a couple of kids? Yep, two kids, lovely wife, and you know, great family here in Calgary, so. His, uh, his
Shubh: wife is a co-founder of a startup here in town.
Garth: Which one? Uh, it's ToTech. Uh, I believe you actually did a 90-second clip with-
Philippe: 60-second.
Well- 60 ... yeah, it was, it was closer to 90, but we're gonna, uh Did you charge him extra? No, we didn't, we didn't charge him extra. I'm just- But with Manolo- Well, you don't have to say that. I under- So I've, I've met your- I'm gonna take that as a hit ... yeah I've met your, uh, your wife then, I think for sure, 'cause I've met Manolo, and I've met, um, w- we had her out, I think, to a dinner that we were hosting.
Vanessa? So yeah. [00:08:00] Um, maybe. I don't know. We don't
Garth: go out a lot, so Okay. So maybe not. So it was, it would've
Shubh: been just her.
Garth: Yeah, for sure.
Shubh: Garth, if- The whole occasion ... Garth got an invite that was like, "Hey, you wanna hang out with a bunch of people, and, uh, that you don't know and chat over dinner?" Uh, the, uh, there's no AI in the world that could respond no on his behalf faster than he could.
They'd be like, "Are you using superhuman for email?" Be like, "No."
Garth: Yeah. But networking is not my strong suit, I would say.
Shubh: I think you're, it's actually, I think you're pretty good at it. I think you just hate it.
Garth: Yeah, I mean, if it's not for, like any reason, if it's just up there to shit talk, then- Yeah ... poo talk, um- Shit
and, uh, uh, I don't
Shubh: know what else. Yeah, Garth did most of his listening to the early episodes before you, you, you made them all dirty.
Philippe: I made the episodes dirty? Yeah, yeah.
Shubh: Oh, God.
Philippe: Do you think there was a turning point where these got remarkably dirtier? Yeah,
Shubh: when you said dildo a whole bunch of times, I think.
Philippe: Those are your friend, Chaz.
Shubh: Yeah, the [00:09:00] TSN turning point.
Philippe: Shout out to Danny. Shout out, Danny.
Shubh: Um, you're a blacksmith.
Garth: Uh, yeah, I'm loving- You're a blacksmith? Yeah, I mean, it's, I've got, my kids are, um, coming up on five and seven, so it's not the most, like, child-friendly hobby. But, uh- Right ... but yeah, I used to, um, uh, have a blacksmith or a, a forge in my garage, and- No way
just hammer, hammer away, make some tools and kitchen knives and stuff. Yeah ... you would have, like, the
Philippe: fire that, with the, with the foot pedal that would make the fire go higher and- No,
Garth: I, well, I just use propane for it, but- Okay ... uh, but yeah, it was, like, a, you know, contained forge. And you heat up the metal and hammer it on an anvil, and yeah.
What would you make? Uh, like, mostly, like, kitchen knives, um- Yeah ... like that kind of stuff, so some basic tools, um.
Shubh: Cool. So.
Garth: That's so sick. It's
Shubh: fun. Are your, are the homemade kitchen knives, uh, do they stay sharper longer than a, a store-bought kitchen knife?
Garth: Uh, I mean, it just depends on how flat you make them.
So, like, and I know that sounds silly or obvious, but, uh- It didn't
Shubh: honestly sound
Garth: that obvious. Oh, okay. So yeah, like, a lot of [00:10:00] knives just have a bend in them. Yeah. And then if there's a slight, even a slight bend, it's really hard to get them sharp. Yep. So, um, I- You know, I would probably spend more time than the average, like, commercial shop to get it flat and straight.
So I would say that they would hold an edge better.
Shubh: Uh, do you ever think you're gonna get back into blacksmithing? Probably.
Garth: So, I mean, I, I sit and, you know, play in Microsoft Word all day and, you know, as my job, so- Yeah ... it's nice to be able to actually make something with your hands and-
Shubh: He means Google Docs.
Garth: I don't use Google Docs. I hate- Oh ... really Google Docs. So- Damn ... the formatting sucks.
Philippe: Hey, you know what? Microsoft sponsors. I got a question though. I went down a rabbit hole of forging on YouTube once. Yeah. Same, basically. Would you do the same thing where you'd have like- No, no, no, I mean you and him are doing the same thing.
Right, right. But would you, would you have like, um, when I remember, you would have, like, one piece of steel down the middle and then, like, uh, different kinds of steel along it.
Garth: Yeah, I've done that, so.
Philippe: And then you kinda melt them all together and then... Yeah, you've done that?
Garth: Yeah. Jesus. So I mean, that's, that's so you have, like, the...
It's basically a way [00:11:00] to save money for the, um, for the blacksmith. So you have the really hard steel in the middle and then- Yeah ... soft steel on the outside. And then the stuff on the outside can also be more, um, like, corrosion resistant and all that, so. Oh, cool. So yeah. No, it's, it's-
Philippe: And with the cool patterns
Garth: that emerge in it?
Yeah. I mean, they, they, they kinda cheat for that, so. Well, not cheat, but it's, um, like, the, with the clay patterns, especially for samurai swords, and I could talk about this forever, but, um- Yeah, let's do this ... with the samurai swords, uh, is they put the clay on the back, on the spine of it, and then that's actually where the curve comes in.
So, like, it's originally forged straight. What? And then because the spine of the sword cools at a slower rate because of the clay... 'Cause the tempering process is you get it super hot, then you make it, you cool it down really, really quickly, um, in water or oil. Yeah. And, uh, and as it's in the water or oil, you can see it start to bend and make that, adopt that curve.
Whoa. So it's pretty neat. What? So
Philippe: yeah. That's super cool. The more you know. The more you know. Huh. That kinda makes me wanna... [00:12:00] I was thinking today, um- What were you just thinking today? I was- About blacksmithing? ... no, I was thinking, uh, I should have a sword in the office. You should. You know?
Garth: Everybody should have a sword.
Philippe: I, I wa- What would, what, what, uh, like, for show or for, uh, utility? For sh- I mean, definitely for show. But I was watching two interviews. One was with the Palantir CEO, who's maybe not somebody you should look up to. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. But the other one was with the new Opendoor CEO. They both have swords in their office, and they were showing them off and stuff.
Why not? It'd be kinda fun to just, like, have a sword at the desk and, you know, if ever someone's walking by, you pull it out, you know, and-
Shubh: Yeah. Once we get this, uh, podcast room re- redone, maybe Garth can make us a sword, a couple swords. A sword on the wall, that'd be so cool. That'd
Garth: be pretty sweet.
Shubh: How much are two swords gonna cost us?
Oh,
Garth: like 30 grand. I don't know. I'll be retired by then.
Shubh: Uh, actually, I guess Chaz will want one too. Chaz, you want a sword?
Chaz: Yes, please.
Shubh: Okay. I guess that's, uh, 45. Yeah, I feel like you got a sword already at home [00:13:00] though. Chaz? Yeah.
Chaz: Chaz. A samurai sword.
Shubh: What kind of sword do you have?
Chaz: I have a vast collection of swords.
I just need a samurai sword to complete
Philippe: it. You really? You got like a katana over there?
Chaz: No, I'm lying. I got
Shubh: a broadsword, a, a cutlass. Yeah? Cutlass. Uh, I... Yeah, that's the only kinda swords I know. We don't have to get into all the swords. That's pretty good, though. I got two swords- Yeah ... on top a samurai sword.
Yeah. I think that's better than most people do. Yeah. But my point is, did you see how Garth just, uh, educated us about how a sword is bent? This is the kinda thing he knows. Uh-huh. You could ask him, uh, all kinds of stuff. He'll just know it.
Garth: It's- Never- My wife has a sword, which we actually don't have in our house yet, but it's actually a family sword that, um, her family's originally from, um, Portugal area.
And, uh- No way ... and it's passed down through the maternal line, so it's actually in a house, like, I think her aunt's house out in Victoria right now. But, [00:14:00] uh, she- She's next in line? She is, so... And then onto our daughter afterwards, and, yeah. That's so cool. And I so want this in our house, so Do you think it is- A magic sword I mean, it's hundreds of years old, so of course it's magic.
It's probably killed a dragon.
Philippe: Yeah, that's so cool. Mm. Do you ever watch Game of Thrones? I did watch Game of Thrones until- Hey, you follow, like, all the swords and stuff?
Shubh: Yeah. Uh, it's cool. Wait, but you have a daughter and a son, so when the day comes that Fiona's gonna get this sword, Arthur's gonna be sitting there going, "Where's my family sword?"
Garth: Well, we've actually talked about, like, getting a, starting a paternal line swords as well, so... I mean, no time like the present. Like, there's no reason to not have swords that get passed down in the family. So cool. So, yeah. Yeah.
Shubh: That's amazing. Oh, I can't wait to start making your sword. Hi, everybody. It's Shubh here.
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Garth: Uh, yeah, but my pitch is kind of a, I think a [00:16:00] s- flowing story, because I originally had an idea, but- Yeah ... it actually has evolved because of this show.
And, uh, so I figured I'd go, you know, start off with the i- initial idea and then talk about where it's gone now. Oh my God, yes, please. So.
Shubh: Yes, please. Yeah, take us on a journey.
Garth: Um, so yeah. So my, like, original idea was, uh, I had friends who wanted to buy a house. Okay. And, um, it's, uh, it's actually in Mountain Royal.
It's like the crazy castle house.
Shubh: Okay.
Garth: And-
Shubh: Probably a bunch of swords in there.
Garth: Probably, exactly.
Shubh: So- See how we tie everything together? Yeah. Fucking the through lines that this show does. And you would think we'd spent hours preparing. But- No. What? Sitting in this chair, there's no way I had that
Garth: thought.
Shubh: I think the audience is like, "Wow, these guys must, like, do dry runs. This must be the third or fourth ver- version that they recorded." Chaz, do you think, do you think that's what people are thinking?
Chaz: Thanks, Chaz. Sorry. I couldn't unmute. Um, no, they're definitely not thinking that. And I also think it's a lot cooler when you don't point [00:17:00] it out, Sho.
Shubh: I'll take that note for, uh, when we record our next take. All right, castle house full of swords, uh- Yeah ... a few blocks from downtown Calgary.
Garth: So they got... You know, it was like a- Out of their price range, and they ended up, you know, not getting it. You know, obviously very disappointed. I think this happens all the time.
People, you know, want a house. They've got this dream house in mind. Uh, they can't afford it for whatever reason. And then, uh, I remembered there was a guy called, uh, I think it was The Watcher of Westfield. And so this was in New Jersey, um, I don't know, 15, 20 years ago, maybe more. I told you. And- Watchers of Westfield
just a watcher, one dude. And, uh- Sounds like a TV show ... and it got made into one. Deadass. Um- Okay. Sure ... and this guy or this family moved into, like, their dream house, and, you know, it was, like, all idyllic and all that. And then they started getting these handwritten letters.
Shubh: Oh, yes, I think I saw this movie.
Yeah. Yeah.
Garth: Okay. I keep- It's real. It's real. Oh, okay. All right. So, and- Yeah ... and yeah, like, it's like, "I've been [00:18:00] watching this house for decades." And- Yeah ... you know, "I asked the, the family here before to bring me young blood," and, you know, they- What? ... delivered and all this. And so all these- I- ... crazy notes. And then so, like, they had moved in, uh, or taken possession of this house.
This is
Shubh: in Calgary? No, New Jersey. This is in New Jersey. New Jersey house,
Garth: yeah. Oh, sorry. Sorry. In- The state of New Jersey. Yeah. Okay. So but I think, like, Westfield, I think that's the town. Yeah. I can't remember. Okay. So, uh- No one's gonna fact-check you. Oh, okay. We don't have that kind of staff. Nope, that's fair.
Yep. But they were getting these letters even before they, like, fully moved in. I think the, the wife never actually moved in 'cause she's like, "I don't want any part of this." Yeah. And they ended up suing the previous family for not disclosing this, and they ended up having to resell the house, drop the house at 400 grand in value, which is like 30% drop.
So started thinking about, like, Dream House as a service. Yep.
Shubh: I'm with you 100%.
Garth: Yeah. And you can have effectively, like, hire a watcher, hire, uh, you know, these, uh, somewhat questionable, you know, debatable [00:19:00] tactics- Yep. Yep ... um, for it. Like, you know, envelopes of dead flies is just something that comes to mind.
Yeah. You just, you know.
Shubh: Yeah, it came to mind real quick though.
Garth: It did. Yeah. Ho- honestly, I think that's one of the funniest things- ... you could ever do to someone. Yeah. Like, no return- You- ... no note, nothing Do
Shubh: you know where the... You know what he's saying, right? What? You know what he's doing?
Philippe: Like, like, you're saying with the, the dead flies, or you're talking about the business he
Shubh: had?
Yeah, he's talking about a business where you will hire this group of people to depress the sale price of a house. And not only that, and/or, uh, get the, the, the current residents to want to leave in haste- Exactly. Oh ... so that you can, you can... So, you know, if you're 20% light, right, the, if you, you go to the bank, right?
Not Neo Financial, sponsor of Tech Thursday. You go to another bank- ... and they're like, "Uh, Garth, we'd like to approve you for this two and a half million dollar house, but, uh, can't do it. Best we can do is, [00:20:00] uh, 1.8." So then you- And you- You call up, uh... Uh, you got a name for this business?
Garth: No, uh, because I ended up abandoning this as a business 'cause it has-
Shubh: This
Garth: is the-
questions ... the start of the... This is the start of the idea. Oh, this is the start of this journey.
Shubh: Okay, I still think you should do this one. You call them up and you... And then see, you know, a couple of things. What is this dead flies, though?
Garth: Well, it's just, like, another crazy thing that- ... You know, or, like, a bag full of hair or something like that.
Yeah. Like, nobody wants to get a bag full of hair. Yeah.
Shubh: So but I think, I think that you're actually- A fish. Maybe a fish, you know? I think you're going about this right. You're not hurting anybody, like, physically.
Chaz: Ouch.
Garth: Come on. Uh, yeah. Just a little envelope of flies. Yeah. An envelope of dead flies never hurt anyone.
Yeah, that's right. Except the flies. Yeah. You can actually buy them, by the way, but usually to, like, feed geckos and stuff. Oh. Dead flies. But there is a service to buy dead flies. Just
Shubh: saying. Okay. But okay, so you're saying you decided, uh, even though this is a great idea- Mm-hmm ... you, uh, you took the high road from a business perspective and was like, "You don't, you wanna, [00:21:00] you don't wanna put this vibe out in the world."
Garth: Yeah, I mean, it, it kinda walks in a similar vein as the corporate espionage service where it's- Yeah, right ... uh, kinda, you know-
Shubh: So you'd only want- ... ethically committed ... to target, like, um... I would only be supportive of this service if the current homeowners were, uh, really rich and real jerks. Yeah, you really- And, like, were terrible people.
Yeah. Okay. So I would like to use it in that case, under those criteria. Okay. So don't completely ban it is what I'm saying.
Garth: Okay. Nope, sounds good. Okay. I'm supportive. Yes. So but, uh, yeah, I went back and forth on that, and then I went to the live recording of this show.
Shubh: Your Business Is On The Line.
Garth: Yes, so thank you.
Um, and, uh, there you, if you recall, you guys had pitches come up. Yeah. And, um, one of the pitches was the house Tinder. Tinder for houses. Yeah, and I still- Phil loved that ... loved that pitch NestQuest. You hated that. Yeah. No, Phil loved it. Phil Boy Zucky. Jonathan Zucky. Phil really loved
Shubh: it. Well, the best thing is Phil really loved it and was very, um, generous [00:22:00] with, uh, his feedback
Philippe: Yeah.
Shubh: I
Philippe: started to get hate mail , so Yeah, yeah, you did. You got a little hate mail. And so, someone texted me like, "Hey man, I, like, I gotta call you out for not supporting this kid's dr- vision." I'm like, "Dude, it's a comedy podcast. Like, relax." Also, people gotta know
Garth: sometimes. Yeah, but- You said it was the worst idea since multiculturalism.
Shubh: Somehow that slipped through on the recording. We didn't- Yeah. Yeah, we can check the transcript. Yeah, yeah. We'll check that tra- I think I would've remembered that. That's right. Live- Man, 24 minutes in. I'm shook. I'm, I'm impressed you held out that long. I love that. Uh, okay. So, uh, you were at the live show.
You heard the House Tinder.
Garth: Yeah, so the House Tinder, to be honest with you, I don't think it's the best way to purchase a house. Yeah. Um, however, I was thinking that, you know, maybe from a room-by-room thing it could make sense, where you swipe, like, I like these [00:23:00] styles of rooms. And, um- Mm ... and then your significant other can do the same, and then it starts, you start thinking about overlap.
And stylistic, you know, you can start drawing on that. And that flowed into, well, you know, where would that be better applied? 'Cause I think it's good for house design and all that, but even, like, buying a house is, you know- Yeah ... a single thing that you do- Yep ... every decade. So it's, it's challenging from that point of view.
But fashion is one that- Yep ... you know, is very, very evolving. And I figured that this is an easy way to, um, you swipe and track, and now it's, you know, very simple, like building a mood board. But lots of time if you look at someone who's well-dressed, you can't necessarily identify what it is that you like.
He's looking, like he's looking at me right now. Yeah. You have pink shorts. You're looking, looking fresh. See that? So. Um, but you can't necessarily, like, tell what you like about it, what you don't. Yeah. And then you start building this library of, um, things that you like. And, uh, the AI will start analyzing this and start overlapping things that are consistent trends throughout the things [00:24:00] that you like, and it will start teaching you how to identify things that you like, things that you don't, and, you know, basically like a massive Venn diagram that, uh, the A- AI is doing for you.
And then it can layer it down. And then you can match that with other people. You can match that with your spouse. Like, maybe they do stuff for, that they think you would look good in, and then you can balance that. You can have celebrities involved with this, like your boy Jacob Elordi, so- Yeah ... yeah. And then, um, the obvious downstream thing is, uh, the AI can start servicing things for you to purchase as well.
So, um, start, uh, connecting with shops, connecting, um, with, uh, like it could be slotted into Shopify pretty easily. And, uh, yeah, that's, uh, really about building, um- I don't know. It's like effectively like taste as a service is how I was thinking of it So, so is
Philippe: this what you landed
Garth: on now? This is the final.
Philippe: Oh, this is the final. Final. Yeah. Well, okay. Uh, what do you call it?
Garth: I think it's kind of gimmicky to put AI in a name, but like taste but AI makes sense, but instead of [00:25:00] just A for taste. For tast. Yeah. Tast. It's
Shubh: like how Chaz says eggos.
Philippe: Yeah. Eggos. Well, it sounds like how Christopher Walken would say taste.
Tast. Yeah, exactly. Honestly- Tast ... that makes it sound pretty good there. Tast. You might fall into a packet of- Or,
Shubh: or W- Will Ferrell's Harry Caray impression. Oh, yeah, that's a good one too. The, "Well, tast." Yeah. Uh, okay. I really like this idea, and I'll tell you why. This
Philippe: is one of my favorite impressions ever.
Yeah.
Shubh: Is Will Ferrell doing Harry Caray. Oh. You know he's practiced that at home. 'Cause I, you know, I'm shopping sometimes. I like to shop. And, uh, I got all this clothes and then, and then the things like, "Hey, you may like this." And I'm like, "I don't think I do like that." Yeah. And I'm like, "What's it basing it...
It's basing it on because I bought something. Some other person who bought that thing bought something else, and it's like, 'Well, you probably like this.'"
Garth: No, totally. So- But I'm like, "That's not what I like." No, you could like pause a little bit longer on an [00:26:00] Instagram picture, and then it records that like you like that advertisement more and...
Philippe: Well,
Garth: I have a question for a different
Philippe: application.
Shubh: Yeah. Of the same technology.
Philippe: Same, nearly the same technology. Dating. So on, so- Okay? So- So like
Garth: Tinder for Tinder?
Shubh: Well, uh, yeah, yeah. Tinder for- Exactly. I think I have a very, very deep pit in my stomach about where this is going. No,
Philippe: no, hold on. Yeah. But so like Tinder- Turns out, turns out that I like boobs.
Does he like boobs? Yeah. Oh, Conrad Hannan. No, but s- similar to, um, similar to Tinder, but instead of seeing people, y- like every day you would see a different catalog of just random things. But everyone on the app sees the same things, and it's things like, you know, the movie What About Bob, which also kinda has a house watch.
I don't know if you guys have ever seen that movie. Or [00:27:00] you see things like, um, Jacob Elordi. Uh, you know, do you like or not like Jacob Elordi? And then you see Coke Zero. Hmm. You, you see all these things. And then at, at the end of the little quiz that you're just swiping through, uh, you see like these people are the closest in the Venn diagram to, to what you liked- Yeah
and didn't like. You know what I mean? What's
Shubh: the... When you go to click on a website and it's like, "Find all the traffic lights." Yeah. Yeah. You, you guys are finding a better use of that technology.
Garth: Another use. I wouldn't say better.
Shubh: So your thought, Philippe, is, is you're creating this like histogram of things, and eventually it's gonna start gluing- that histogram together to build you a, a, a profile of people who also have selected a similar histogram.
Philippe: Right. Well, I, like, obviously I pitched Arranged before. I dunno if you've heard that Arranged pitch. Yeah. But it's a deep cut on, on Random Episodes. I do love that idea, but I'm obsessed with this concept [00:28:00] that, like, dating apps do not work as intended, which is, like, connect people who are like-minded. And it's largely...
I, I actually don't know, like, how they work right now, and obviously they work for some folks. But, um, and they're not, like, horrible, horrible. But I do think there's something to be done to this effect of, like, what are all the other ways that we could figure out from a, a tech perspective- What's in a-
what peop-
Shubh: what people enjoy. Yeah. We're trying to pull out what's inside your mind's eye- Yeah ... using technology.
Philippe: All the other ways that we could find out what- What- ... you like and what would make you a good match for someone else.
Shubh: Okay. So- So, so far we've put clothes together. We've put people together.
What else we doing? Well,
Garth: houses. You already said that one. Yeah, the house design works for sure.
Shubh: What else we
Garth: got? I mean, people and clothes is pretty good. Yeah. I mean, I'm sure there's a music application here too.
Shubh: Mm-hmm. So. Oh, yeah, there's a music a- it's so hard to find, even with all the music, it's so hard to find music.
You know what I mean? Yeah. [00:29:00] Yeah. And TV, they just recommend to me, the TV people, that's on their agenda. It's not on my agenda. They just want me to watch their thing that they've put together. I don't think I'm gonna enjoy it. What would you enjoy? What do you do enjoy? You know, TV. But I, like... I'm just saying t- t- tastet, but for TV.
It could be a whole line. Tastet for clothes. Tastet. Tastet for, uh- I was
Garth: getting more Kermit
Shubh: there. Yeah, yeah. The beer just hit me. Uh, I feel like I could run. Uh, taste for TV, taste for clothes, taste for, uh, relationships. Yeah. Chaz, what do
Philippe: you think? What would you use this for?
Chaz: I like the idea of taste for TV because I agree with Shubh, sometimes they're kind of pushing stuff down your throat that isn't always the best.
Philippe: It's so annoying. I feel like I'm on Netflix and I'm like, "I'm never watching any of [00:30:00] these shows." But, uh, so then I'm just... So then what? I'm just, like, using this app to, like, swipe through a bunch of TV shows? Or am I sh- am I... Is it also showing me, like- No, I think it- ... Victorian age outfits- I think it's- ... and if I say yes, then I'm gonna- Oh, my God
get recommended Victorian- What if you
Shubh: pulled this all together- ... and it was just a singular tastet profile, but it would then get smart enough about recommending the clothing you would like, the homes you would like. It didn't even have to be verticalized. Oh, no, absolutely. I think that's great. So. It's just what your entire taste profile is for anything.
Yeah
Philippe: And then it's just- Quick Google ... quite simply in the broadest perspe- like we could show you a Victorian outfit, and it's like, "We're not asking you if you'd wear this. Do you just, like, generally like it?"
Garth: Yeah. Then it starts recommending Victorian Age music to you and- Well, uh,
Shubh: what's a, is it just like a piano forte?
Yeah, I think so. It's like Bach. The
Garth: lute?
Shubh: [00:31:00] Bach. The lute, yeah. Well, and what's that other one? The, it's got a bunch of different things on it. You know the one I'm talking about. The harp? No, he'll know. You know, it's got a bunch of little things. It's got a l- more than one little... It's got, your hands move up and down it.
You know what I'm talking about. No, he doesn't. What? So that wasn't a good... See, I could use taste right now for musical instruments.
Philippe: What is it?
Shubh: I don't know.
Philippe: But, but, but describe it a little bit more. It's like a little ding, dong. It's that little thing. Oh, and it lays, it lays flat? Yeah, it's flat.
Garth: I, I don't know.
I'm sorry.
Shubh: I might be making it up. That's also possible too.
Garth: Is it just a stringed instrument, or are there other stuff on it? Mm.
Shubh: There, just a string instrument, but I, I think it'd be funny if there was, like, sound effects. It, but like a soundboard, but an old-timey soundboard. I don't
Garth: think they
Shubh: had those-
Garth: This can't-
in the
Shubh: Victorian
Garth: Age ... this can't be real.
Shubh: No, no. It's not real. Though, have you ever been to the Music Centre here in Calgary where they show you how they used to do, for silent films, how they'd do the music? 'Cause they didn't have recording, so they'd have this enormous instrument that could literally do anything.
Well- It would have, [00:32:00] like, it would, like, sounds of, like, you could make footstep sounds, and you could make, uh... Yeah. Anyway, we should get one of those. Oh,
Garth: nice. I didn't know they did that on the spot. Like, I've seen that thing that you're talking about. Yeah. Like, a sound effect machine, but, uh, didn't know they did it on, like, live on the spot.
Shubh: Yeah, I'm pretty sure they did. Oh. All right. I mean, that's what they told me. The Music Centre people told me. So if they're liars, then...
Philippe: I mean, it's a good story if you're a Music Centre person.
Shubh: The, the volunteer at the Music Centre who toured a bunch of elementary school kids is like- Yeah ... "This is how I enjoy life."
I
Philippe: used to do some brewery tours, and we'd take- Yeah ... we used to, you know, we used to exaggerate a little bit- Yeah, yeah ... as, as-
Shubh: Like, "Look at this big, uh, machine. It used to play every, uh, sound in the- ... in the phonetic English alphabet."
Philippe: I would tell Prohibition stories because, you know, like, we did not know- What's your best Prohibition story?
Well, well, because apparently there's a island. The, this is, uh, on a lake called Lake of the Woods. [00:33:00] It's, kind of borders Manitoba, Ontario, and, and Minnesota, and there's a island on it called Whiskey Island, and it's like there's actually no documented proof that Al Capone went there. Like, but there's, there's folklore that it used to be, like, where y- um, because it was exactly, like, eight miles from the train station, and so, like, the Canadian Pacific Railway had only laws that would sort of govern eight miles from the nearest workstation.
And so they would all boat there and, um- Engage in prostitution and gambling . But then also then that same island- What? ... was rumored to- That's a great story for the pod. Tell that Dude, so yeah, Al Capone-
Garth: Was there whiskey there too or ... Yeah. Apparently, actually- I feel like that island was
Shubh: named Whiskey Island far before it was ever a location for prohibition.
Nice. Just a total ... Yeah, it was Whiskey with an I. Okay, nice. Yeah. Just very happenstance.
Philippe: I mean, what we don't know is, is this next part, which is, like, apparently during the pr- prohibition, Al Capone would distill whiskey there because there's [00:34:00] 14 islands, and so the cops didn't know how to navigate the lake.
And so they would use that island as a place to run alcohol into the States. Hmm. And we would tell that story, but I've never seen any, like, you know- That's interesting ... primary sources that prove that that actually happened. But that sounds like a TV show people would
Shubh: watch. Yeah. W- Whiskey Island. Yeah. I would watch that.
You know, Peaky Blinders, I was watching the Peaky Blinders, uh, show, and they did the movie, and I learned that, uh, Newfoundland was a big prohibition avoidance. Uh, they would, they would run that liquor in from England, get it to Newfoundland, and then, uh, get it down to the US. Hmm, that makes sense. And I was like, "This is great.
Good job." Uh, you know, shout out Newfoundland. I was born in Newfoundland. You didn't know that. I didn't know that. Yeah. And- You're a Newfie. Yep. You ever been
Philippe: screeched in?
Shubh: I have been. Where'd you- Not, not as a child. Uh, we left when I was a child, but afterwards, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Chaz, you ever been screeched?
Chaz: No, I don't know what that is. It's when you- I don't, I don't think you're supposed to call people [00:35:00] Newfies either. What? Shubh, isn't that, like, an offensive term to,
Shubh: uh- Uh, I've been, I've been called many more offensive terms in my time. That have, that have less to do a- about where I was born and a lot more to do with where my folks were born.
Philippe: Yeah.
Shubh: Uh, no, I
Philippe: don't ... I ... Is it? I don't know. I- I don't think... I think it's endearing. Oh, you Newfies. You're gonna say, you're gonna say, "Guy." I wouldn't ... Yeah, Newf-
Chaz: Stop saying this. No one's gonna say, no
Shubh: one's gonna say N- No one's gonna say Newfoundlanders. Are we gonna get letters from Newfies? Listen, I'm a ... You, I can say it.
You- Yeah, you, you can say it. Yeah, I can say it. I can say it.
Oh,
Philippe: man alive, the man alive. Yeah. Okay, but Chaz, b- getting screeched in is, like, basically they, they have this weird alcohol called screech, right? It's, it's rum. And they, they make you take a shot and then kiss a cod.
Chaz: Like the fish?
Philippe: Yeah, like the fish. Uh, [00:36:00] sorry,
Shubh: what else did you think it could've been except for a fish?
Chaz: Call of Duty.
Philippe: Yeah, my, you gotta kiss Modern Warfare too.
Shubh: Okay, taste- That's the pitch. You could do it for anything. We're having a beer right now. Yeah. This is like, um, you know, with the Jesus Plus idea, where you could then just do the exact same idea just for a bunch of different religions. You could do Taste, but just for a bunch of different use cases.
Philippe: And the, the concept here is like a Tinder for everything.
Shubh: It's Tinder for life.
Garth: Yeah, I mean, ul- ultimately it's, I don't think we consciously appreciate the stuff that we like, so it just assists with that. It starts distilling down and, you know, starts identifying things that you consistently like and builds basically like a profile of your interests. Like what, what do you like, what do you enjoy, what do you dislike?
And, you know, [00:37:00] how does that overlap with people? Let's, uh,
Shubh: rate Taste because I would like to get, Garth is, uh, both is the in-house counsel for ZayZoon, but unbeknownst to him, is also the in-house counsel for this program. Okay. So, oh, you wanna... So I wanna get some of hi- his legal thoughts- Okay ... on some of, uh, our ideas, previous ideas that have been pitched.
A, a new, a new segment called Legally Binding. That's pretty good. Yeah, that's a pretty good segment name. Or, or, uh, legal or not.
Garth: Working progress.
Shubh: Legal or
Philippe: not. Uh, okay, Philippe, Taste. Um, here's what I think about Ta- Taste. I'm still, I'm questioning the use case, like when I would use it. The, what I think this is really, really good for is collecting a lot of information about people.
I was just gonna say,
Shubh: the thing I love about this idea is, uh, 10 years from now, you can just replace people with robot avatars.
Philippe: Yeah. Actually, people are, [00:38:00] people talk about, um, you know, they're like, "Oh, AI, you're still gonna have like taste curators or whatever." If you collect enough information- ... on like what's cool and what's not, like f- fuck that.
Like you, then you can feed that to the, uh, the LLMs and, uh, then they'll know what's cool and what's not, right? And, and they'll also replace us- So, so- ... as taste makers ...
Shubh: so just for, to be clear, Garth started this pitch, uh, by pitching an idea that we and he were like, "Yeah, you know, didn't feel quite, uh, ethical."
And we're saying we like this, uh, revision of the idea 'cause we'll get more data about people. Yeah, exactly. You said, uh, the Palantir guy's got a sword in his office. And you were like, "Well, yeah, maybe, uh, maybe that's not the best, uh, illustration of why you would want a sword," but it sounds like it might be.
It
Philippe: sounds like it might be. Yeah.
Shubh: All right. You, you got a rating out of 75 for us, 75
Philippe: salsas. Um, just because I, I like don't... It seems like it needs to be fleshed out a little bit of like why someone would feed you all this like incredible information about their [00:39:00] taste. But if you could figure that out, then I think it, it's a treasure trove.
So I think to me it's a, um-
My heart hurts, but I think it's like a 35 salsa. Brutal. I think.
Shubh: I'm prepared to go a little bit higher than that. Specifically for the, uh... I'm gonna just take it back to its root, which was messing with people who are too rich- ... and whose house is too nice and- Abdul Aziz would love this ... it should go back to the, the, uh, the regular people.
Philippe: Abdul Aziz would totally fund- Yeah ... an app that would just- Yeah, Abdul ... send dead flies to billionaires. Yeah. He would do that
Shubh: all the, all day. So, uh, so I like it just because that was the genesis of an idea, because I used to do a bit about this. I don't know if you remember, but during, uh, COVID, Reid and I went for a walk and we're like, "Damn, that's a nice house."
And we're like, "You know, if that house ever goes on for sale..." So I literally went home and drafted a note saying, "Hey, if you ever sell your house, let us know." Was going out the [00:40:00] next day to hang it up there, there's a real estate sign up, right? Interesting. So I missed the window. Um- Well, you should've just bought it.
Yeah. No, it'd cost a lot of money, but I'm just saying a nice little add on would've been like- You can afford it. Yeah, like a- You could ... like, if I could've paid Chaz a little bit to fly out and hang out, like, in the bushes behind, 'cause they're right behind a ravine, and just go ooh. Seems In His Wheelhouse.
I think that would've knocked 10 to 15 points off the house, brought it into the, brought it into the range. Yeah. And then why does that sound always come out during an open house? I don't know. That's just the ghost. The ghost just loves open houses. You ever met a ghost before? Unpredictable.
Philippe: So, so are
Shubh: you rating that idea or you're rating this one?
Well, I'm rating both. Okay. I think they're related. Uh, so I'm gonna 48 out of 75. For which one?
Philippe: That i- this entire, the entire pitch. Oh, but those two ideas are not the same. You, I think you gotta choose which one do you wanna rate 48.
Shubh: Okay. I'm gonna rate the, uh, messing with people's houses 60. [00:41:00] Okay. And then I'm gonna rate the TAZEs, 'cause I do think there's a practical application for building a humanoid equivalence of us.
Yeah. Uh, 46. Let's get all the data.
Philippe: Yeah. All right. Okay. I, I would also rate your first idea higher. I feel like- Yeah, yeah, yeah ... I feel like this-
Shubh: I think we just gotta... Uh, like, go to the... Yeah, I think you just gotta maybe, you know, just gotta find the right demographic- Yeah ... to feel good, to, to be able to sleep at night.
Yeah. I feel like sending ominous
Philippe: shit to, like, people you don't know is, is kind of awesome. Yeah. Like, that's my, that's, like, civil disobedience I can get behind. It's like, yeah, let's create a little bit- Yeah ... more chaos in people's lives. Like- And the good thing now- What is this fish? In this- What does it
Shubh: mean?
In this province, you can literally get anybody's address now, so. That's right. Yeah. I mean- The new, with the leak. Uh, uh, so now onto our new segment. Legally Binding. Legally Binding. Uh, be- legal or
Philippe: not, I can't believe it's not legal. Chaz, what is it gonna be? Chaz, you're the taste maker. [00:42:00] Yeah. Which o- wa- based on all these ideas
Chaz: I like Be Legal or Not.
Ah.
Shubh: Be Legal or Not. And the winner is Be Legal or Not. Okay, Garth, let's start at this off with a couple of Chaz's ideas, 'cause he's here. Okay. Chaz pitched an idea called the AquaDesk. Floatable desk for the pool. Had a number of guarantees associated with it. Guarantees it wouldn't flip, guaranteed satellite back call, guarantee it wouldn't make your laptop too hot, guarantee that your laptop wouldn't fall in the water.
I- Felt like there was a lot of risk from a guarantee perspective. Yeah. You would never have let me drafted up those terms of service at ZayZoon. How do you feel about Chaz and his willingness to just give away all of these-
Philippe: I feel like, hold on, Chaz ... guarantees. Are we missing any guarantees? Like- Yeah ... g- give us the whole gamut, just because we have a lawyer now.
Chaz: Did you say that, "We'll guarantee it'll fit onto a carry-on bag?" I did
Shubh: not. Yeah, it was guarantee it'll fit and be under the, the required weight limit.
Chaz: Yeah. That's a big one. [00:43:00] Um, no, I think you covered most of them.
Shubh: Yeah. So we've got satellite back call, un-flippable, won't make your laptop too hot, won't sink, um, your laptop won't fall off it, and it'll fit in your carry-on.
Uh, and how much do you have to pay for this? $19.95. Uh, should I build a website for it? And share that with you? It's $20 for this thing? Sorry, uh, nine- nine, $1,995. Oh, okay. Oh, wow, that's like a boat. Yeah. A boat that
Garth: goes in your carry-on- Yeah ... and you mix electricity and water. Well, when you describe it that way, it sounds insane.
Yeah.
Shubh: Um,
Garth: I mean, I love it. Yeah, yeah. But you wouldn't have let me sell it. It's a challenging one. I don't know that the business is gonna succeed. Yeah. So I think you'll- Because of the guarantees?
Shubh: What if the guarantees were a little
Garth: softer? I think you want no guarantees. Okay.
Shubh: No guarantees. Yeah. Okay. So.
Uh, all right. Chaz, you're just saying back to the drawing board with the guarantees. Our lawyer says no. Uh-
Chaz: I think the [00:44:00] product works without the guarantees. No one's gonna buy it
Garth: without the guarantees. Well, you could, guarantees it floats and, you know, you can just come up with-
Shubh: Yeah. Honestly- Guarantee it's blue
I'm not even entirely... Oh, yeah, guarantee its color. That'd be good. Okay, uh, you're familiar with this concept or idea because I pitched it many times at ZayZoon. Floats.
Garth: Yeah. And the physics of floats is always... Because, like, it seems to just lift your ass up. Yeah. So, like, is your face just being pushed down in the water?
Shubh: Well, I'm assuming people can keep their shoulders and head and arms above water.
Garth: Um, I mean, the closest thing, like, did you ever do, like, like, when you're at a lake, where you just take a life jacket and you stick your legs in the armholes and then buckle it around so almost like it's like a diaper, but then you can sit, like, basically sit and float in the water?
Oh, it's awesome. So it's so cool. At first I was about to make fun of
Shubh: you for doing it wrong, but now I think that's maybe the smartest thing I've ever heard in my life.
Garth: Oh, it's, it's the best way, so. I feel like that's what
Philippe: the railyard workers would do on Whiskey Island. Yeah,
Garth: probably.
Shubh: It also feels like somebody already invented the AquaDesk
Garth: Yeah, I mean, it's kind of [00:45:00] a- That's a Floarts meets the Aqueduct.
Yeah, yeah. It, it's
Shubh: like a, it's a, like diaper Floarts. And with- It's, it's- Yeah ... it's unsubtle Floarts, yeah. Yeah. Uh, yeah, so the thing with Floarts is I was very clear, "Hey, this is not a life-saving device." Mm-hmm. It's a, a, it's a floating assistant. A float assist. But it just pulls your ass up though, doesn't it?
Yeah, but you know, for some of us, uh, what we need a little, little ass lift, you know that. Is that what you need? In water and in life. Yeah, so no. I'm supportive of Floarts.
Philippe: Yeah. All right. Here's a plug. Floarts, Floarts, Floarts, Floarts. This is the legal advice then now? Uh, yeah. That, that was the... Yeah. Okay.
It was, it was- You just, you just wanted a shout-out
Shubh: for Floarts ... I had to, you had to pull the kernel of, uh, legal advice out of that. Right. Okay. Um, uh, Philippe, can I do one of yours? Sure. So Philippe, uh, had this concept called Arranged. You, we talked about it already. So your, your two friends would set up your profile.
You know, seems, that seems pretty okay. Mm-hmm. But then, uh, I thought it'd be great if you could watch the dates. Mm-hmm. [00:46:00] Where do we, what's our data privacy? What's our, what's our GPDR requirement here from watching the dates? Is
Garth: the other person, like, on the date in, like, informed about this?
Shubh: Oh, yeah.
Garth: Uh, I guess y- yes.
So they know that they're going on a first date, and it's gonna be recorded and spectated by an audience back at home? Yeah. Well, they do, they do now, yep.
Philippe: I mean, this is not part of my idea. This is a Shubh- Yeah, yeah ... sexual fantasy. What about, what about
Shubh: the, the, the, the waiter at the restaurant? Do we gotta blur their face?
Uh. Do we need the restaurant permission? You probably
Garth: need consents and stuff like that, yeah. We
Shubh: need the restaurant's permission?
Garth: Yeah, probably.
Shubh: What if they go to, like, a Olive Garden? They probably have a huge legal team.
Garth: Olive Garden. Breadstick money.
Philippe: Yeah. What if they, what if we just tapped into the restaurant's CCTV?
Shubh: Okay, but how are you gonna do your thing? Yeah. You wanted to- Are you a big hacker? You wanted to- You think he was a hacker ... you wanted to, uh, uh, your thing was like you wanted it to deliver gifts to them during the meal, [00:47:00] Hunger Games style. Uh, yeah, that's- So how are you gonna do that without knowing what's happening?
Uh,
Philippe: uh, um, um, the gift was just like champagne when you start, you know? So the, you c- you could tell the restaurant in advance.
Shubh: Oh,
Philippe: maybe
Shubh: that's a way
Philippe: to get consent from the restaurant.
Garth: You just have participating restaurants, like these 50 restaurants in Calgary all- Particip-
Philippe: all participate. Okay, see? Yeah.
Here's-
Garth: The thing I loved most about it- I think the mailing in things- Like what, they float down with a little parachute? I think that's an awesome idea. Yeah. Yeah. It's so good, so. Hell
Shubh: yeah. So I think that, uh, what, what I loved about working with Garth is many lawyers would say no. Garth would say, "Hey, I don't think we should do that, but here's another way that you could get to where you wanna get to."
And that's what he's doing for us right now.
Philippe: And, uh, what about Jesus+? What's the religion one? Yeah, it's, uh- Yeah ... this is the one where we're paying for prayers And then, like, do we... What if the prayers don't come true?
Garth: Yeah, what's our liability there? You just have disclaimers. That's easy. You just wave that away.
So, you know, you're [00:48:00] just a small company. You can't control what God does. Yeah.
Philippe: Oh. Yeah. See? But, and what about, uh, like, do, like, people have to do the prayers. What if someone says they did the prayer but didn't do the prayer? Hmm, yeah, how do we, how do we hold them accountable? Is there
Garth: legal recourse? I, I think probably you would have to have it recorded and then do spot checks or something like that.
Okay. So, um- This is great ... maybe. So, yeah, I, just random spot checks every- This is my- ... few day to go ...
Shubh: favorite segment we've ever done on this podcast. Uh, what other ones we wanna s- we wanna heat check?
Philippe: Um, what about that adoption one? Tinder for adoption. The Tinder for kids one?
Garth: Yeah, the one.
Shubh: Uh, pro- pro- producer's note, we're gonna just go back and bleep
Garth: that.
I, uh, I would say that that one's questionable.
Shubh: Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Adoption for kids, yeah. Yeah, that one would've been a tough one.
Philippe: And wait, what about, uh, sorry, you mentioned it as well, E- yes. Yes, [00:49:00] uh, corporate espionage as a service. I thought you were having a stroke. That's ... Okay. I wasn't sure if you were having a stroke or doing a Christopher Walken impression.
The C- C- yes.
Shubh: Um, corporate espionage as a service.
Philippe: Like, is that illegal, corporate espionage, or?
Shubh: Yeah, that's definitely illegal. So- Okay, so- There was Deel- What is the threshold- ... versus Deal ... yeah, yeah, that was the whole thing. It's fine. Yeah, yeah. What's the thr- There's a, there's a question that came up, actually.
What is the threshold for... So Philip and I were like, "Well, maybe you don't go steal ideas," but what if I take, uh, you know, 'cause I would argue we're both pretty charming fellas, right? So we take a- I don't know, about a 42, 40. Oh, shit.
Philippe: I'm 35. I'll take that all
Shubh: day. It's coming back. I'll take that all day, baby.
Um, so we, you know, we take a CXO out for, uh, a nice dinner, and we get to chatting, and we're telling him some funny stories and stuff. And, uh, then suddenly, they're like, "Oh, you know, uh, uh, we got this new product release coming out, and boy, is it bad. Uh, w- we're taking away a bunch of functionality. What's, uh...
Are we good?" You don't work for this company? [00:50:00] No, we are just hanging out.
Garth: Oh, you're fine.
Shubh: So I can just,
Garth: I can just turn around and- 100%. Yeah, no wor- no worries at all. Just be like- But then could I
Philippe: sell that information?
Garth: Totally, yeah. So you're, it's... You know, like when you work for a real company, like, you had to sign that you can't give away trade secrets of ZayZoon.
We haven't done this for this podcast yet, though. Oh, okay. But, but yeah, I mean, like, ultimately, you sign that, you know, like, all the IP and stuff- Yeah ... belongs to the company, and you've signed that. So it's not necessarily criminal, it's, but it's definitely a civil claim against you. Um-
Shubh: What if during that dinner, that person goes, "Off the record"?
Garth: That doesn't mean anything. Yeah, see. 'Cause
Philippe: off the record never mean anything.
Garth: I think with the press it might, but just to a random person, you can't just say, "Off the record." I know. We're sort of- They're now allowed to tell anybody ... are we sort
Shubh: of press, though, 'cause we got microphones? Are we- I like that you looked at Garth.
You're like, "Wait, are, wait, are we-" Well- "... press?" ... this is the
Philippe: segment, right?
Shubh: No, you guys are not. Oh, thank God. Yeah. 'Cause we don't have those little hats that say press in them.
Philippe: But, but so, so, so if it's not corporate espionage [00:51:00] to take someone out to wine, then dine them, get them information, and then turn around and sell it, 'cause I feel like that's what act- I'm reading this book right now on, on, uh, KGB spies.
Mm-hmm. Uh, and that's what all they would do essentially is, like, they would, the KGB would just, like, meet with, you know, members of Parliament to take them out for lunch, and they would get, like, a little bit of information, and they would sell that off as information to KGB Central.
Garth: Yeah, I mean, like, that's probably going into, like, national security questions, though, like, as opposed to, you know, just, like, a payroll company and, like, their, how they handle payroll for certain countries like The Deel- Right
thing, so. But,
Philippe: but so, so then if you solely got information by wining and dining people, you could actually build a corporate espionage business by legally retrieving information and selling that, and create unfair competitive advantages for companies- Yeah ... because they had information about their competitors, and you could not get sued out of existence.
Garth: Well, I mean, you can [00:52:00] always be sued. You could be sued for anything. Right. I could sue you guys after this just for, just 'cause, 'cause, 'cause you gave me a shitty score. Um- I mean, I, I mean, we've been sued a lot already, so. Yeah, yeah. Uh, that's, uh,
Shubh: that's slander. That's, uh... Yeah, yeah. Um... Until we put the transcript out, then it's libel, right?
Mm, same thing. One's in writing, isn't it?
Garth: Yeah.
Shubh: Look at
Garth: me go. Well, you're basically the lawyer for this, too.
Philippe: Thanks. You should start calling out things. I can't do it. But you could w- but you could win those cases if, if they did sue you. Yeah. But we're, but- Yeah ...
Shubh: but our source would probably lose their job and, and could be, uh, liable.
So we'd have to make sure we were, nobody saw us at this restaurant. There could be no recording devices.
Garth: Yeah. Yeah, so look at, there's, you know, like, if the media comes to you and says, like, "We wanna interview you," and then you, like, sign an agreement, the agreement will set out, like, the terms of that and, like, what you're allowed to, uh, do, whether or not the person has the right to withdraw statements or something like that.
So, [00:53:00] like, that can happen. Um, but if you're just there and you overhear something, there's no right to, inherent right to privacy in a public space. You're not allowed to, like, bug their home or anything like that, but if they're at a restaurant just talking loudly, fair game,
Shubh: uh- Oh, you better be careful, Phil.
You talk loudly everywhere.
Philippe: I have no secrets, though, is the problem. Yeah, yeah,
Shubh: that's true. You gave them all up in this podcast. Okay. Uh, okay, uh, can I, we ask, can we keep going? You're good? Yeah, for sure. Uh, our friend Tate Hackert w- w- was gonna go to Turkey- Yeah ... to, um, get his hair done. Uh- His hair did
then he, um... So as part of the service, they pay for your hotel, right? But then he backed out at the last second. Is he on the hook for the hotel? Just depends what the contract said. Should he be though? Uh, I
Garth: think he should've cut him a hair.
Shubh: Okay, uh, I'm just gonna- Not in Turkey ... I'm gonna cut that and just replace it with, "Yes, you should've."
Okay. [00:54:00] Yeah, I would. Works, works better as a bit, so.
Garth: I'm surprised they wouldn't take a deposit. That just seems weird. Yeah.
Shubh: Yeah. Oh, yeah. But didn't he book it, like, two days before? So maybe- But- ... they
Garth: just, there's no time ... still grab his credit card number. Hmm, sounds like they liked cash. He, he probably did pay for it and just doesn't know.
Philippe: Yeah,
Garth: they check your credit card statements?
Philippe: Yeah. Uh- Chaz, wh- what do you think? Uh, are there legal issues that are bothering you in your personal life or maybe with- Well- ... the silverfish? Silver tuna. Silver tuna that you wanna- There's- ...
Shubh: square eyes right now? This is, you were asking what he's doing, he's painting.
He's painting his own company.
Philippe: For a company called Silver Tuna. Yeah.
Chaz: I don't have any personal legal questions, but there was a pitch that I was hoping we could bring up. Yes, please go ahead. Um. Oh, is
Shubh: this the butter? Are you just still... Is it, do you have- No ... do you have butter roller hurt?
Chaz: No. My question is what are the, uh, like, legal ramifications of having a hairdresser and a dog groomer in the same building?
Is, could we get in trouble for [00:55:00] that?
Garth: Yeah. Great. I, I'm 100% on board, that is filthy. It's filthy. It's so disgusting. It's so gross. Okay. Right? All right. I love dogs, dogs are amazing. I'm- But I cannot imagine sitting, looking in the chair beside- But there would, there'd be a wall ... German
Shubh: Shepherd. There'd be a wall-
between the- It's a rule ... human side and the dog side.
Chaz: Oh, I was picturing more of- The dog's not
Shubh: in a chair next to you like a sidecar. No, just on a table with like- That's less modern though ... with those newsreel acting. Getting shaved.
Chaz: And what about, what about Thomas' other idea? No, the one about, like, charities and, uh- Oh,
Shubh: yeah.
Oh, yeah. So Thomas Eucorpatch had this idea, he doesn't like getting all this mail from the charities after he donates, 'cause he's like, "They're all over him." So he was gonna create a service where you could use their address to be an intercept for all this mail that you wouldn't get from the charities.
Garth: Why doesn't he just reach out to the charity and say, "Don't contact me anymore"? Yeah, that's what we
Shubh: told
Garth: him. But I don't know, there was a book [00:56:00] in the '80s called Influence. Have you guys read this book? No. It's all about the psychology of salesmanship and influence, and it's like- Yeah, feels like I should've read it, yeah.
Yeah, you should have, for sure.
Shubh: Turns out I didn't need it, you know? And, uh- Yeah ... and
Garth: it's, it's like one of the preeminent psychology books, and it set the tone for all of this, so. Oh. Even when, like, a charity sends you, like, the little nickel or quarter in the envelope and, like, that's it, all of that comes from this book, and it's about, like, the psychological gifts, so now you feel indebted to them, so now you bring it back.
That's 100% why they give you the pen, why they give you, like, a free poster. It's all about building a sense of debt and obligation in you, so then you give it back, so. Whoa. It's a, it's straight up, straight up manipulation. That works? It does, 100%. I, I- But
Shubh: then we're doing this, but okay, yeah ... but the realtor sends me stuff every year and I never call him.
Garth: Well, the, he, I mean, he just wants to stay, or he or she just wants to stay in your good books.
Philippe: Well, it's kind of this concept of, like, reciprocity, right? Like, I- Exactly ... I feel like, uh, uh, I feel, I feel like all, all humanity reverts back to the principles of The Godfather, [00:57:00] which is, like, I will do something for you now, and, and one day I might ask you for a favor.
Yeah. And I ex- ... I expect you to say yes.
Shubh: So you doing this podcast with me, what? You
Philippe: know, one day, one day I will ask you for a favor. My God,
Shubh: we're,
Philippe: like, 30 hours
Shubh: deep. That's, like, a year of community
Garth: service. You told me you were doing him a favor, that you f- thought he was lonely.
Shubh: Uh, he gave me a pen. So I was like, "Yeah, I guess I'll do this podcast." Uh. Yeah. Uh, wow, is that why they do that? So Thomas no, no bueno, hey? No, I mean, you can
Garth: opt out of that, for sure.
Shubh: Uh, we got anyone, any last ones? One, one last one.
Garth: The condo one's definitely illegal, so,
Shubh: uh- Which condo
Philippe: one?
Garth: The condo for women only and then you have to move out once you have a relationship.
Oh. That's straight, straight up discrimination. You're not allowed to rent based on, you know- Gender ... protected classes like gender and race and- Oh ... all that. So that, that's straight up illegal, so.
Philippe: I thought that was a good idea. I would- [00:58:00] Yeah ... yesterday, Tech Thursday hosted a, a, a women's angel investors dinner, and we only invited women.
Garth: Yeah, I mean, I think that's okay, so, um- Yep.
Philippe: Yeah.
Garth: Yeah, but, like, like the reason- Like, someone asked me if they could invite a man, I said, "No. No men allowed." No, but l- living, living quarters, like- Oh ... what if you're just choosing to rent and, like, landlord tenants, I don't know if it's in the Landlord or Tenants Act, but yeah, you're not allowed to discriminate who you rent to based on gender and stuff like that, so.
Okay. So that one doesn't work at all, so. It's a good idea because, you know- Yeah ... it seems like it'd be fun. Yeah. Until you have to move out to, 'cause you, you know, found someone. Yeah, so- And then if they turn out to be a dud and you crawl back to your old condo. So there's- I think- ...
Chaz: no workaround that you can figure out for that one?
Shubh: Yeah, here we go, Chaz. This is, yeah. Yeah. This is the right podcast. So workaround,
Philippe: like, I guess you could make it really unappealing f- for men.
Shubh: I think it's a sublet situation, right? You just, uh, you know, we're just subletting. [00:59:00] Mm. No, he doesn't like that. No. Okay.
Garth: I, I, I can't think of a workaround for this one.
Shubh: Hmm. How do they get around that at, uh, universities when they have, uh, women only and men only dorms? I mean,
Garth: uh,
Shubh: well, if- Oh, hey,
Garth: see that? Actually, no, that's an interesting question. May- maybe it's they've got equal things, so- Kinda like I'm
Shubh: cross-examining you in court.
Garth: Yeah, but- So no, no, it's, it's a fair question.
So, like, may- I'd have to look into that. Maybe it's that they have, like, a men's dorm and a women's dorm, so they have- Right ... equal- Right ... equal amounts and- Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh, but that's just- Off the cuff, I d- I don't know Huh So, so y- I guess you could have a men's only apartment building across the street
Shubh: I'm gonna hit you with one last one.
It's Kelly Schmidt came on the podcast, a very well-regarded, uh, CEO in this town until she did this podcast. She wanted a, uh, to make a product called the Name Whisperer. So when she's out at events, 'cause of all the people she meets, it would just, uh, whisper in her ear a little. Yeah. And [01:00:00] Philippe immediately went to, "Hey, what about the g- the glasses add-on for people who wear glasses, the Ray-Bans?"
Where are we at, uh, with that? If I've got all my contacts from LinkedIn loaded up in the Name Whisperer, and then my glasses... People be suspicious 'cause I don't wear glasses, but, you know, other people wearing glasses. Do I gotta tell them I'm recording them with my glasses?
Garth: It depends where. It's jurisdiction dependent, so some places you're allowed to record freely.
Someplace you need dual consent, uh- Let's say Calgary ... uh, Calgary I believe is, yeah, you're free to record if it's a public space. So if it's, like, a, you know, somebody's home or whatever, you're not necessarily allowed to. So, but public space you're allowed to freely record, yeah. But
Philippe: what, uh, what if, uh, i- I know in private space you can have a sign that just says, like, "You are in a space where you might be recorded," and that kind of- Yeah
allows you, and then it's like, oh, you can leave now. What if you just had a shirt that said that?
Garth: Oh, yeah. Interesting.
Philippe: Yeah, I mean, if you're- Great, great ... disclosing things like that, yeah Yeah, then you could, then you could be in a... But it, the shirt could be, like, designed all cool where people are just like, "Oh, that's a trendy shirt."
Yeah, yeah. But it does it [01:01:00] does say, you know, "You are in a space that might be rec- And it could say
Shubh: something like, "Everybody's watching everybody." You know what I mean? Just be like, "Oh, yeah, man. That's, like, a good commentary on society." But it, you know, you're just like, "Well, actually, I had a shirt saying that you were being watched."
Garth: Yeah. I mean, ultimately we're getting to the point where everybody's being watched- Oh, big time ... regardless, so. Yeah. Like, I kinda think this about, like, uh, you know, big hacks, and then, you know, like, Telus gets hacked, and then they have to pay for a credit check or credit monitor for everybody. Or we don't
Shubh: get hacked, and we just give away everybody's, uh, home address information.
Garth: Yeah, but l- yeah, the, yeah, exactly. So but everybody's information is out there. Yeah. Everybody's social insurance number, social security number is all- Chaz's social security number's out there? Oh, for sure. So for sure it's on the dark web.
Philippe: Yeah. I, I've been, I've found it. I, I, like, spent a lot of time looking you up to- So
Shubh: then you got into his bank account.
You were like, "Oh, my gosh" "I've wasted so much time."
Garth: All of our data's out there. Oh, like, I'd, I would be shocked if it wasn't. So, like, there's so many hacks that have [01:02:00] happened, so.
Shubh: We try to keep this podcast lighthearted 'cause we want people to feel good after they listen to it, but you've kind of finished on a- I mean, that's what I do
I don't feel great. Do you know what Garth's nickname was at ZayZoon? Well, he had two. One was Cardi G 'cause he wore cardigans. Incredible nickname. Oh, that's unreal. Uh, then sometimes he was the Wet Blank- Wet blanket Yeah, 'cause he would tell Tate things like, "No, you actually need a contract for this, Tate."
"We need some paper trail so we can't get sued," you know? Like that kind of stuff. Wet
Garth: blanket.
Shubh: Classic.
Philippe: Yeah. Uh,
Shubh: I love it. No more, uh, legal opinions from Garth personally and professionally, guys. It's, uh, when you're doing the podcast, you d- we don't have to pay him.
Philippe: That's right.
Shubh: It's kinda like Therapaint.
Uh, Philippe thought of this great idea now that Chaz is painting. Instead of paying for a therapist, you could just pay for Chaz to come over and, like, help you pick paints. But while he's doing that you could, like, dump all your problems on him. It'd be cheaper than seeing a therapist.
Garth: Oh, that's great.
Shubh: Yeah.
Garth: He's fantastic for a [01:03:00] pick-me-up, so that's- That's what I
Shubh: said Yeah ... his, his gift to the world is he leaves people feeling better after they've talked to him.
Garth: He's like Bizarro me. It's awesome. But he's
Philippe: Bizarro you. He's, that kinda makes sense. Yeah, he is like alter-universe. That's why you get along so well.
Like a dry
Chaz: blanket.
Shubh: Yeah. Oh, my God. Well, Garthie, this went by too quickly.
Garth: Yeah, it did go by quick.
Shubh: That's the longest you ever talked? Oh, yeah, I'm done for the week. Oh, well, how are you gonna talk, uh, just generally? Not. Not. It's gonna be like, you're gonna go home, kids are gonna be like, "Dad, Dad, how was your day?" And you'll be like, "Mrah."
Yeah. "Let's watch Blacksmithing videos." Ah. Dude,
Philippe: it's pretty
Shubh: good. It's pretty good. You should definitely- Yeah,
Philippe: Philippe apparently has watched a ton of them. And I also watched, uh, like, videos about, like, where the swords are now in the, in Game of Thrones. Yeah. So, like, Dark Sister and, oh, you know, all these swords.
I, like, I, like, actively know where people think they are, [01:04:00] so.
Shubh: Okay, so I don't think I can afford to get you, like, one of the good swords from Game of Thrones. But I wonder if I could get my hands on, like, hey, an extra in, uh, you know, one of the, what's the battle of? Some- Some Hill. Uh, I maybe I'd get you an extra sword.
Philippe: Or, I mean, you could get me the, the Arya Stark one, Needle. Needle? Needle. Yeah, I mean- Needle ... I'm pretty sure that's gonna be out of my price range. Or, or she's got the other one. She's got two little small ones. The, the, uh, Littlefinger's dagger. What's that one? Yeah.
Shubh: No, you- I don't remember ... sorry, I think you're missing the point here.
I, I will not be able to get you- ... any paraphernalia that anyone else would know, because the cost base would be too high.
Philippe: Okay, understood. Yeah,
Shubh: and Garth's swords are $15,000 a pop.
Philippe: My- Is that-
Shubh: 30 You said 30 for two. No. It's on the recording. No, that was per. Per. Son of a... Okay, well, Garth, can I- I, Garth, sorry, can I-
Garth, can I- I've never been ... can I ask you one legal question? Yeah. If you quote a price and then later you change the price, are you still beholden to your original price?
Garth: It depends if the person accepted [01:05:00] your offer or not.
Shubh: I believe, uh- Oh, well ... what if, what if when you listen back to the recording it says, "I accept your offer," clearly on the recording?
Garth: Then sure, I will make you a sword for 15 grand. Unedited.
Shubh: Well, it's not for me, it's for Phil.
Garth: Okay, I will make Phil a sword for 15 grand. Let's go. Well, no, sorry,
Shubh: it is for me to give to him. I wanna make sure that he feels indebted to me
Garth: Okay. So, well, it just evens out for the pen.
Shubh: Maybe Charity should start sending you swords.
Garth: That would be awesome. I would give to that charity.
Shubh: Yeah. I'd be so indebted. What would that charity do, you think, a, a charity that sent people swords? Like a fencing charity for kids? You know, 'cause all those kids, all those underprivileged kids who can't afford fencing. Fencing's not a bougie sport, right, Phil?
Garth: Uh, it, I think it's very bougie sport.
Philippe: Yeah, I know.
Garth: Yeah, okay. Yeah. Uh- I actually think fencing and, like, these obscure sports are great to put your kids in, just, like, because if, um- If they, if they're good at it, there's- Yeah ... less competition. Yeah, if they're good, that's... They get scholarships And they'll get into Yale.
So, exactly. So.
Philippe: Or Stanford. And, and, like, the odds of going [01:06:00] to the Olympics are probably higher too.
Garth: Yeah. Oh, totally. So, like, I've got a friend whose kid is in, uh, handball, you know, just whacking- Yeah ... the wall. And, and there's, like, 12 people who play it in Calgary, and, like, Calgary's hosted, like, the World Cup of this at this little tiny club, and it's, like, this super small sport.
And someone from that, like, 12-person group got a full ride down in the US and just to do the sport. And it's because nobody plays it.
Philippe: So you know what's not a sport? What's that? You know what's not a sport? What? Double luge. Give me a break with double luge. That's- Right? What do you think it is? It's, like, an activity?
No, but I'm just like, do we need this in the Olympics? It's like luge, but, but- What, do you think single luge should be in the Olympics? Yeah, that's, yeah. But I mean, w- what if you- Do you- ... stack more people? Is it- Like, it should be a four-person luge team. I would watch that. Just keep adding more people to the luge.
But that's what they do in bobsled. No, but they're not all laying on top of each other.
Shubh: So you're just saying it'd be hilarious. So okay, so you're saying two-person luge is not a sport in the Olympics. [01:07:00] After how many people stacked on a luge does it now become a sport again in the Olympics?
Philippe: I think people, like, four or six, like, a six stack- It's like-
would be so crazy ... centipede luge. Like,
Shubh: like luge, like pancakes, but for luge. Nice. I mean, I ... Can I just... Garth, you have to come back at some point 'cause we're gonna need more legal review. But I do think we should workshop this obscure sport incubator idea. Yeah. 'Cause I think we could charge people a lot of...
'Cause again, I'm not trying to be, um, prejudicial in any way, but I think most of the people that we know that are doing these obscure sports are usually pretty loaded. No, for
Garth: sure.
Shubh: So I'm just saying if we had an academy for obscure sports- Just pull back the curtain and- Academy for obscure sports, 20 grand.
Kid learns how to, uh- 20 grand? Well, per kid,
Garth: per year Yeah, I know. And you're try- you think this, this is gonna help poor people?
Shubh: No, no, no, [01:08:00] no, no, no. I'm going... No, no, sorry. To, to, no, to be clear, no. No, uh, I'm targeting all the rich people who are putting their kids in obscure sports. Oh, so it's a real one-two punch between sending dead flies and- That's right
taking money. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm going to the rich people. They're sending our, their kids to this academy where they can try two or three different obscure sports to really figure out which one lands with them, you know? You maybe got a corner with fencing, maybe you got a little bit of jai alai.
Um, um, or there's some other obscure sports in the, uh, the professional... Oh, uh, what's the cross-country skiing one? The, what the, the, the biathlon?
Garth: Yeah. I don't know if there's... You'd have to, like, mash this with, like, US scholarships 'cause- Steeplechase? Yeah, you gotta have pretty good athleticism for that.
Philippe: Steeplechase is crazy.
Garth: Yeah.
Shubh: Yeah, okay. Curling? I'm just kidding.
Garth: I mean, there's probably some schools that are giving scholarships. New Zealand. Canada.
Shubh: Um, yeah, I would like you to come back. I would like, I would like you guys to unpack this, uh, we could just do a pitch of Olympic sports we think we could get funded.
That's a big problem in this country, getting Olympic sports [01:09:00] funded. Maybe people don't get excited about sponsoring athletes for two-person luge, but maybe for six-person luge- Yeah ... everybody's lining up to write a check. Uh, no, seriously, G-Mac, I really appreciate you coming in. I know how much you dislike talking out loud.
Yeah. So this is like a regular person coming on the podcast four times.
Garth: Oh. Well, thanks. Thank you for having me.
Shubh: Uh, you're welcome back anytime. I also love the idea that we could just do mini segments with Garth at the end of certain episodes where we could just bring him in for five minutes to do, "Hey, what do you think of this legal idea?
What do you think of this idea?"
Philippe: Yeah. Legal or not. Legal or not.
Shubh: I can't sing the rest because, uh, royalties. No, no, legally you can.
Philippe: Legally, no no. Horrible song.
Shubh: All right, G-Mac, thanks, buddy. And, uh, good idea having the beer. Yeah. I think it really Diary of a CEO'd us. We really got r- r- we got pretty deep. No?
Philippe's taking offense at that. All right, Chaz, thanks, pal. All right. Thanks, guys. Thanks, guys. That's a wrap. See you. [01:10:00] Should I start saying, "That's a wrap," at the end of every episode?
Garth: Is that your- No ... new catchphrase?
That's a wrap.
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