YBIOTL Episode 25
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Shubh: Oh. Welcome to episode 25 of Your Business is on the Line, the podcast that's a business comedy podcast. Number-one business comedy podcast anywhere, definitely in Canada, certainly in wherever we are. Uh, it's a podcast where serious people come on and pitch unserious business ideas.
Philippe Burns, co-host.
Philippe: Hello.
Shubh: Special guest, serious person, Andrew Brown.
Philippe: Very serious person.
Shubh: Andrew, welcome. You're allowed to talk. Oh, he's doing a-
Andrew: No, I'm really, I'm just trying to be really serious
Shubh: right now. He's doing a bit. You asked for that. I forgot this was a podcast. Oh, I should have said that.
Hold on. Uh, Andrew Brown. That's
Andrew: what I was waiting
Shubh: for. There you go.
Philippe: Hey, the mouth trumpet.
Andrew: Yeah.
Shubh: I should just do this whole episode in mouth trumpet. Andrew, how are you, buddy? I haven't seen
Andrew: you in a while. I'm doing great. Yeah. Good to see you guys again. Yeah.
Shubh: Uh, Andrew Brown. Uh, H- Andrew, how would you describe yourself personally and professionally?
Andrew: Oh. Do you... Right off the [00:01:00] bat.
Shubh: Keep it short.
Andrew: Uh. Well, uh, about 35-odd years ago. Uh, no. But, uh, professionally, I'm not so serious. I don't think I take myself that seriously. Yeah. But I, uh, I like to win. And I like to help other people win. You like- So professionally- You- ... I jump in with companies. I help them get off the ground.
I help them find their customers, find their market, and I help them grow. That's
Shubh: awesome. That's pretty good. Uh, you're a, a f- well-versed and involved in the tech community and ecosystem in this city, and have been for a long time. But you have, as you just alluded to, you're doing your own thing. You've started your own business, right?
Yeah. Philippe, so how many... We, we started with 100,000 fewer entrepreneurs.
Philippe: Yep.
Shubh: We're down, I think we knocked five off that list by now.
Philippe: Yeah. W- with now you- Yeah ... Shy. Shy.
Shubh: My friend Laura.
Philippe: Laura.
Shubh: Yep.
Philippe: Andrew.
Andrew: Yep. What's the stat? What are we, what are we measuring here? F-
Philippe: We- we're trying to, uh, close the gap.
Yeah. [00:02:00] Over the last 20 years, Canada has lost 100,000 entrepreneurs.
Andrew: Yeah.
Shubh: So we're back, baby.
Andrew: All right.
Philippe: All right.
Shubh: And, yeah, like- 99,995. Andrew Brown. Number five.
Philippe: Canada's so back.
Andrew: So I'm, I'm just honored to be on the list.
Shubh: Yeah.
Andrew: You know, I've been, I've been an entrepreneur for f- most of my career. I haven't had a real- I know
a real job.
Shubh: But this one sounds like it's actually genuine,
Philippe: so. Thin Air was a real job, no?
Shubh: Yeah.
Andrew: Yeah.
Shubh: No, no. He didn't mean not a real job. He meant, like, an actual, like a punch the clock kind of job.
Andrew: Yeah. Yeah.
Philippe: Oh, I see. Yeah. And I was- 'Cause you, 'cause you weren't doing anything when you were working at Thin Air.
Andrew: Well, when I... Yeah, I jumped in early days. You know, co-founded, built the-
Shubh: Um, brought to you by the labs at, uh- Yeah ... Thin Air. As, as, you
Andrew: know, brought to you by the city. So it was a very, very entrepreneurial experience as well. We'll just put it that way. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So anything from the ground up, I feel like you gotta be, uh, you know, entrepreneurial to, to take the pain along the way.
Shubh: That's true. What do, what do you like to do for fun, Andrew?
Andrew: Oh, man.
Shubh: Guys, I'm not
Andrew: a sweet- What is fun?
Shubh: I'm not a
Andrew: sweet
Shubh: guy.
Andrew: You got a couple of kids. I got, I got- Got [00:03:00] kids ... uh, a daughter at home, so I like to hang out with her. Yeah. We like to enjoy the outdoors when it's nice enough to do so. Yep. We do a lot of walking, a lot of hiking. We're outside a lot, as much as we can in, uh, in Calgary's climate.
How old is your daughter? She's two and a half.
Shubh: Hey, Philippe, you know what, uh, two and a half year olds like to do in the outdoors?
Philippe: What?
Shubh: You go for a walk, and, uh, they stop every six feet. And they're like, "Look, Dad, bug." And then they squat down, and then they watch the bug go. And then they say, "No, you can't walk, Dad, because you might step on the bug, so you have to wait for the bug."
Philippe: Wow.
Shubh: Am I wrong in any- No,
Andrew: you're 100% right. Yeah. Yeah, like walking with your daughter is not really... It's- Yeah ... like you're-
Shubh: We used to say, my kids at that age ... you're not going anywhere ... I'm like, "You got, we got transportation walk, and we got exploration walk."
Andrew: Yeah. That's-
Shubh: Walking to preschool, transportation walk.
We don't have time to watch the bugs. But they don't really understand that.
Andrew: No. No. There's no, yeah, there's no-
Shubh: Urgency ...
Andrew: there's no urgency. I mean, they don't have anywhere to be.
Shubh: Yeah.
Andrew: Right? Right. Except right there. That's where they wanna be. Yeah. And so-
Shubh: They're [00:04:00] kind of like you, actually. Philippe, you're like in the moment all the time.
You know? I think that's what a lot of people like about you. That's good. Yeah.
Philippe: I gotta spend some more time looking at bugs then
Andrew: I think. Yeah, bugs are pretty cool. I mean, like- Yeah ... you, it does help you cr- you know, generate a, a new appreciation for things that you just kind of walk past.
Shubh: It grounds you in a way that maybe you wouldn't be grounded otherwise.
Andrew: Oh, uh, yeah, 100%. Yeah.
Shubh: But it is really frustrating.
Andrew: It's, uh, yeah, for people that wanna, you know, got places to go, it's, uh, it's a pretty frustrating experience.
Shubh: Even if you don't have anywhere to go, it takes 45 minutes to walk a block and a half.
Andrew: Yeah. That would really
Philippe: bother
Andrew: me. Yeah. No, my w- my wife and I, you know, love to travel, and w- we traveled a lot.
Yeah. She, she's actually, uh, works for an airline, so we, we have privilege. You know, we get to go places, uh, where, that we wanna go. Flight privilege. And flight, flight pr- Yeah, yeah. It's flight privilege.
Shubh: But also-
Andrew: It's super privilege. I thought it was gonna take a little longer to get there. We got all of the privileges. Yeah, yeah. Uh- Okay ... anyways, uh, uh, we were like, "Okay, where do, where do we wanna go next?" And we love to just go to [00:05:00] cities and just kind of explore, right? That was our thing. We'd just try to immerse ourselves.
And, um, we thought, "How about Japan? And we'll bring Lucy."
Shubh: Yeah.
Andrew: And, uh, then we went to Banff for, like, three hours.
Philippe: Right.
Andrew: And, like, we made it, like, 100 meters maybe. Yeah,
Shubh: yeah.
Andrew: And I was like, "We're not going to, like, we're not going to Japan."
Shubh: Yeah. It's- It's better, it's better to travel... I mean, this might be controversial, uh, 'cause all those people who think children deserve, uh, unique experiences early.
It's better to travel when they know what the fuck is happening.
Andrew: Yeah, and w- yeah, and when they would remember, right?
Shubh: And when they can walk, like, generally unaided. Yeah. And they can carry more. They can carry one thing Without the absolute risk of them carrying that one thing causing them to then fall over.
Andrew: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Or just, like, have multiple things and just, like- Yeah, yeah,
Shubh: yeah ...
Andrew: overflowing with things.
Shubh: Listen- Yeah ... having kids is genuinely wonderful.
Andrew: It's amazing.
Shubh: It's difficult logistically, I think is what we're saying.
Andrew: Yeah, and, and it, you know, you have to have patience y- [00:06:00] especially at this age. So, you know, we got- I'm, uh- We got the one-
Shubh: Ask anybody at ZayZoon, I'm renowned for my patience.
Andrew: Yeah. No, I can tell just by listening on the podcast. You know, which is why you and, and Phil are such good, uh, partners on this.
Shubh: Yeah. Yeah.
Andrew: Yeah,
Shubh: we don't have a lot of patience between the two of us. That is a problem, actually. That's fair. Okay, buddy, so you started this business. It's going well.
Andrew: Yeah.
Shubh: You're helping some companies grow.
Andrew: Yeah, we got, you know, a handful of-
Shubh: Helping them figure out what the fuck to do.
Andrew: Yeah, um,
Shubh: just- Is that... That should be your k- that should be your slogan.
Andrew: Y- 100, yes. We help you figure out what the fuck to do. Uh- I'm not- And if we can't, then no one can. That's
Shubh: pretty good.
Philippe: We're, we're, like, one fuck away from being P- from being R-rated episodes. Oh,
Andrew: yeah, is there a... Is there a limit? I don't know. Uh, I
Philippe: think you can get three and be PG-13.
Shubh: I used, I used a lot on the previous episode.
Andrew: The old way would be, like, you know, the t- the word that you use, not the number of-
Shubh: Yeah ... whatever, right?
Yeah, yeah,
Andrew: yeah. Like, the F-bomb was like, "Oh-" Yeah, you couldn't- ... one F-bomb and you're- You couldn't use
Shubh: those in [00:07:00] Marvel movies, for
Andrew: example. No, no.
Philippe: I think you got, like, three F-bombs. Apparently, apparently this is how it works. You got, like, three F-bombs- Yeah ... to be PG-13, and it... but there's probably more. Like, you can probably say a lot of damns before they're like, "Okay."
That's right, like, damn. Yeah, yeah. I
Shubh: think you can just say damn.
Andrew: Yeah.
Philippe: I don't know. I feel like
Shubh: damn, hell, poop.
Andrew: Like, are the podcast groups, like, looking for damns?
Philippe: No, there's no podcast groups. Or hell?
Shubh: We, uh- I was just joking. Yeah. Yeah, we also self-report that we're explicit after the first few episodes when we didn't.
We were like, "You know what? We got a lot of kids out there listening." Phil, once Phil started talking about dildos.
Philippe: I think it was the turning point. So, Shubh- Shubh was like, "We..."
Andrew: I missed that episode- Dildos and Shubh ... but there's so much, uh, callback- ... in future episodes about that. And I was trying to find it, but of course it's not in the description.
Shubh: Yeah, yeah. You can't just... Yeah, this is the one with Phil. Actually, uh, you can just, uh...
but Shy did a little thing where he used AI to read all the transcripts that we've got on the website now, and, uh, so yeah, we probably f- we could probably pull that up pretty, pretty quick. But
Andrew: dildos [00:08:00] watch for-
Shubh: Hey, that's a good business idea ... dildo ... transcript reader that immediately j- then sends you the direct link to that moment of the, the podcast.
Philippe: Yeah ... does
Shubh: that exist?
Andrew: That was gonna be my pitch.
Shubh: You stole it. Speaking of pitches, Andrew.
Andrew: Yeah.
Philippe: Andrew, wait, hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Before we get there.
Shubh: What? Yeah.
Philippe: Because Andrew, I feel like, uh, last time I saw you on, on the streets, actually I saw you on the street corners, you were like, "I'm, I, I actually listen to your podcast," and now I feel like there's asymmetric knowledge that I have about your life.
Andrew: Oh, yeah.
Philippe: Because of, now you know too much. So, so, um, I mean, that's really funny, but I'm curious if you got the, some vulnerabilities you wanna share. You know? No. Even it out.
Andrew: I didn't volunteer to be on a podcast- ... with thousands of people every week, uh, to, you know, share absolutely everything about me- ... to the world.
Uh, so that's, like, you're gonna have to be- ask a better question if you're gonna wanna get a little deeper there. Uh-
Philippe: Do you have, 'cause you were making fun of me for my prop food.
Andrew: Yeah. Oh, yeah. Do
Shubh: you have
Philippe: anything similar?
Shubh: Uh, what about, uh, what, [00:09:00] maybe we frame it in a way that it feels like Andrew's not being vulnerable.
Like, uh, "Hey, you got any dating advice for Philippe?"
Philippe: Yeah, you do.
Andrew: Now, that sounds like a sales guy right there.
Shubh: Yeah.
Andrew: That's the right- Go to the pain. Oh, do I have anything, like prop food? No, I mean, I buy a lot of food that I try to use as much as I can, but it's, it's hard, so- Yeah ... you know. I mean, it becomes prop food, and it probably takes me too long to get it out of the fridge afterwards as well, which I don't know if that's vulnerable or embarrassing, but- No, not vulnerable,
Shubh: just boring.
Andrew: It's just, like, normal. Yeah. I'm a pretty boring guy. Yeah. Pretty boring guy. Maybe- Maybe that's my vulnerability ...
Shubh: Andrew's vulnerability was like, uh, "Sometimes I buy food and try to eat it all." Wow. "Make sure that it gets eaten."
Andrew: Oh, you gotta warm me up a little bit, Phil. I- I don't know. You're gonna have, like I said, you're gonna have to ask some more specific questions, but- Well, may- I do know a lot more, like Phil, Phil and I worked next to each other for, like-
Shubh: Yeah,
Andrew: yeah
a couple years, right? Yeah. And then I listened- At least
Philippe: a year and a half or something, yeah ... and then, and then
Andrew: I listened to the podcast, and I was like, "I didn't, I didn't
Shubh: know
Andrew: anything about Phil." When
Shubh: you, when you spend a little time with people, [00:10:00] uh, and I don't wanna lump Philippe and I together, but you don't mind being the center of attention- Uh, we will t- we will say whatever it takes
Philippe: To be the center of
Shubh: attention.
Right? I, I don't think that's totally wrong, right? Like, uh, I believe I told the story on this podcast about shitting myself, right? So like, you know, on a bike. That's not one- I was young- ... just to be clear. But you know, I think you, you gotta get them clicks.
Philippe: But you did, you were too afraid to tell the story of when you broke your arm in, in, uh
Shubh: I wasn't too afraid- In high school
it wasn't even, uh, it's just such a- You were a little embarrassed ... it's such a boring story. Yeah, yeah. Uh, one play, one catch, nine yards, a broken humerus.
Andrew: And that was your whole career?
Shubh: That was my whole career. Mm-hmm. But I mean, you know.
Andrew: Here you are.
Shubh: Here I
Andrew: am. Where, where would you have been had you not broken your arm?
Shubh: Where would I have been? Have
Philippe: you ever broken an arm playing sports, Andrew?
Andrew: Yeah, I broke an elbow. Yeah, I broke a bunch of toes.
Shubh: How, what sport- Toes? Yeah. What sport'd you break the elbow in?
Andrew: Rugby.
Shubh: Oh, you played rugby? Yeah,
Andrew: yeah.
Shubh: Oh, that shit is- Played
Andrew: rugby ...
Shubh: you're, you're- Yeah ... you didn't, I [00:11:00] mean, don't take this the wrong way, but- Strength
rugby is that tough.
Andrew: I was, I was quick. I was-
Shubh: Yeah ...
Andrew: uh-
Shubh: Is that how you broke the toes too, in rugby?
Andrew: No, those were probably just like getting stepped on and- Oh ... kind of rolled over and- In
Shubh: rugby?
Andrew: Yeah- Or just life? ... rugby, football. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So couple broken bones. I actually was a, a competitive tramp- trampol- tumbler for a period of time too.
Shubh: Oh, my God, okay.
Andrew: And broke nothing doing that, which is crazy.
Shubh: Okay. Well, I bet it's, it's Okay, okay. I, I-
Andrew: That, that's my vulnerability, Philippe. There you go ...
Shubh: wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. So you're a competitive tumbler?
Andrew: Well, not anymore.
Shubh: On the trampoline, though, on the, on the thing?
Andrew: Yeah. I didn't, yeah, I didn't compete in trampoline, but I, I, yeah, I did some trampolining.
Shubh: I, I probably- Whoa ... I'm not even sure I should, uh, necessarily out this person, but, uh, uh, as you guys know, uh, well, okay, if we're making a list of tech CEOs- ... in this city who are very well liked and regarded, we've had Kelly Schmidt on, obviously. Who else would we put on?
Andrew: She's amazing.
Philippe: Darcy?
Shubh: Darcy Tour. Stop right there.
Darcy Tuer, competitive tumbler.
Andrew: No way.
Shubh: [00:12:00] 100%.
Philippe: No
Andrew: way.
Shubh: I know this because when he told us, I had the exact same reaction I did when you told me. I was like, "Wait, what? That's... A, that's a thing, and B, what?"
Philippe: Is there, is tum- Yeah ... is tumbling and trampolining the same thing, or are those different things?
Andrew: Uh, they're kind of in the same group, but they're different, different events within- Okay
so, like, tumbling would be, like, uh, it's a long strip that you run down and you f- flip down, right? Oh, that's
Philippe: the w- It's, it's- That looks way
Shubh: harder than- If it was a bouncy thing ...
Andrew: yeah, it's bouncy. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yes. So
Shubh: Darcy was on the trampoline too. You were too?
Andrew: Yeah, but not competitively. Yeah, trampolining is, is scary.
Philippe: But tumbling competitively. Yeah, yeah.
Shubh: So we gotta get Darcy on the pod-
Andrew: Yeah, he should ...
Shubh: to talk about many things, but mostly about trampolining. About
Philippe: trampolining. His glory, his
Andrew: glory days.
Philippe: Is there an Olympic sport that you think shouldn't be an Olympic sport? I'll start. Ski jumping. Or a
Shubh: sport-
Philippe: I mean luge.
Luge. Doubles luge. Doubles luge.
Shubh: Yeah, you got an Olympic... Uh, we're gonna do a whole segment-
Philippe: Like, why are we doing doubles luge? You know what I mean? Like, get off of each other. You
Shubh: just, what are you just reusing your own bits? Just- Are you just reading from transcripts [00:13:00] now? Phil says, "You know what would be better?
Eight-person luge." Uh, yeah, uh, well, now that we're on this, Andrew, you got a sport that you don't think should be an Olympic sport?
Andrew: I mean, I-
Shubh: I don't know how this relates to our podcast. It's not about that at all, but-
Andrew: I don't know. I thought, like-
Shubh: We are gonna do a podcast that's just about the Olympics
Andrew: you know, break dancing was weird to me the last Olympics.
Shubh: Yeah.
Andrew: You know, not, not that I don't have respect for... It's cool, it's cool, but it's pretty, you know, subjective.
Philippe: Yeah.
Andrew: Like-
Shubh: Yeah ...
Andrew: what was good, what was not?
Shubh: So was, so was ice dancing, though.
Andrew: Ice dancing... Like, did you ever see the ski dancing, like, in the, the Calgary Olympics?
I-
Philippe: I've seen old clips of those, yeah.
Andrew: Where they would go down with the poles- Yeah ... and then, like, flip around?
Shubh: And
Andrew: they'd put
Shubh: the poles and spin around, yeah. It's kinda
Andrew: like a horse mount kinda thing.
Shubh: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, again, a cool activity. I don't think, think it should be
Andrew: in the Olympics. I don't know if it should've been in the Olympics, yeah.
Philippe: My
Shubh: f- my friend's- Were the- ... dad did that, I think ... were the Greeks in the Colosseum doing a lot of dancing?
Andrew: Well, I don't think they were doing a lot of skiing either.
Shubh: That's true.
Andrew: Yeah. We have to create a whole new category of Olympics called winter for-
Shubh: Yeah ... athletes. You know what sport I definitely think should be-
Philippe: For us with flight privilege.
Andrew: I think a sport-
Shubh: [00:14:00] More leg gas baby. I would like a sport, uh, in the Summer Olympics. You know one of my favorite sports to watch in the Winter Olympics, and I would never watch it outside of the Olympic setting, is short track speed skating.
Andrew: Oh, it's amazing. It's the best.
Shubh: But I think, um, you know, when I was growing up, they had a show on called the roller...
It's like roller derby basically, where it was, like, kinda like wrestling where it was a bit staged, but I think they should have short track rollerblading in the Summer Olympics. Why not? And they should do it where they do the bike, the velodrome- Yeah ... because it's very steep to
Andrew: the- Yeah, yeah.
Shubh: Oh, that would be crazy.
Uh, and I think it would be hilariously chaotic.
Andrew: That would be a lot of fun to watch.
Shubh: Uh, who's the, who's the president of the IOC? Do we know that name?
Philippe: I don't.
Shubh: I was gonna say Sepp Blatter, but I think that was with FIFA. Sepp
Philippe: Blatter, is that real?
Andrew: Yeah. Yeah. I'm not even gonna try to attempt. Um- I, I have an idea, but I don't think it's it.
Shubh: Yeah.
Andrew: Yeah.
Shubh: Uh, all right. I
Philippe: have an idea too, but I also don't think it's it. I'm gonna look it up quickly.
Andrew: Yeah. Who... Look up pre, past, current and past presidents of the IOC. So wait. Phil, have you never done [00:15:00] skeleton? No. Like, you don't think it should be in there?
Philippe: No. I, I respect skeleton. A good friend of mine is actually a skeleton, uh, athlete.
He doesn't like the
Shubh: two-person luge.
Philippe: Two-person luge. Yeah.
Andrew: It's kind of goofy.
Philippe: It's kind of goofy. Yeah, yeah. And I just think it's a little silly, but-
Shubh: Yeah, like luge. You're on board with luge.
Philippe: I'm on board with luge.
Shubh: Yeah. It's the second
Andrew: or- It's sledding.
Philippe: Although, although lu- But two-person
Andrew: sledding is... Yeah.
Philippe: Luge is kind of skeleton, but going down the other way. Like, you just go feet first. But, you know, like, at some point I'm like, "What's the line?" But then, like, stack into-
Shubh: Actually, hold on. You got luge, which is feet first, skeleton, which is head first. There should be one where you have to go down sideways.
Side.
Andrew: Yeah, I like that, too.
Philippe: Sideways.
Shubh: Yeah. You're just lying across flat, so you're perpendicular to the track.
Philippe: Yeah. You're like...
Shubh: So you kinda, you kinda gotta get like... You kinda gotta, like, contort your body to make sure you don't get stuck.
Philippe: Right.
Shubh: I'd watch that.
Philippe: Or you should tumble down. You know, a little...
Andrew: Tumbling down would be-
Shubh: Oh, yeah ... that's a sport. Or you combine a winter sport- Yeah ... with a summer sport.
Philippe: Yeah. In those, uh, in those little hamster wheels? You go down, so wheelie your way down. That's a sport. That would be crazy. [00:16:00]
Shubh: Man, we were so on track last recording. Oh, so for the audience, we recorded double today, which we haven't done in a few months.
Andrew: Oh, I get, I get you guys when you're tired.
Shubh: You get us when we're punchy, which is even better for you- Oh, nice ... because, uh, uh, we were very dialed in, and so now Philip is all over the place. He's, uh, looking up Olympic sports.
Philippe: Cristi Coventry.
Shubh: Yeah. Previous president of the IOC?
Philippe: Uh, prece- uh, preceder, Thomas Bach.
Shubh: Keep going.
Philippe: Okay. I'm not... That's not what, uh, I pulled up. Um, but- Uh, let's see. Former
Shubh: Uh, I'm pretty sure Sepp Blatter might've been the FIFA guy
Philippe: Uh,
Andrew: yeah. Sounds familiar. But that could just be because-
Philippe: Jacques Rogge ... it's
Andrew: a memorable name.
Shubh: Ah, Jacques Rogge was... Yeah. I'm gonna
Philippe: look up Sepp Blatter.
Shubh: Yeah. S-E-P-P B-L- Blatter, but with two T's.
Philippe: Oh, there he is. He is- This
Shubh: is really great radio.
Philippe: A Swiss administrator. He's 90 years old. Hey, look at this
Andrew: video.
Shubh: Uh- Yeah ...
Philippe: eighth, eighth [00:17:00] president of FIFA. Man. From 20, uh, 1998 to 2015. Yeah. That's a long run. He
Shubh: presided over a, a, a, a big period of, uh, corruption.
Andrew: So if you could give him one piece of feedback, what would you, what would you say?
Shubh: Sepp
Andrew: Blatter? Is he the FIFA guy or the-
Shubh: Yeah ...
Philippe: FIFA guy, yeah.
Andrew: Yeah. Yeah. Start at, start with him.
Shubh: I would say, uh, um- You, I don't know
Philippe: Less corruption.
Shubh: Yeah, probably. Maybe you could bring ticket prices down for the 2026 World Cup if you weren't corrupt.
Philippe: Yeah.
Shubh: All right. We back, or you wanna do another 20 minutes on-
Philippe: On Olympic sports?
I'm good. I feel like I'm, I'm gonna... I'm excited to pull out some vulnerabilities from you, Andrew. All right. You're never gonna know about it.
Shubh: Yeah, but you already got that one out of him where he likes to eat all the food that he buys. Yeah.
Philippe: I try. That's so you,
Shubh: Andrew. Yeah. I try. Uh, that's gonna get, that's gonna get clipped and aggregated.
Philippe: Yeah. Don't, don't-
Shubh: Local, local founder eats food he buys.
Andrew: So you know, the, the, the problem- The problem is with kids, you, you know [00:18:00] this, Shubh. Yes, I, yes, I do. You gotta buy all the other stu- like the, the snacky stuff, right? Yeah. And, uh, I like to snack. Yeah. Oh. And so I buy all this other food. Like your intention when you're shopping is like, "I'm gonna be so healthy."
Yep. Right. "I'm gonna eat the best food." It's broccoli. It's bro- Like I'm gonna make this amazing dish. And like, you know, it tastes really good. But then throughout the week and you get tired over the week and so on, and then you, you fall. Yep. And you end up just eating the chocolate and the fishy crackers and-
Shubh: Yep
Andrew: all that stuff. And then by the end of the week you're like, "I didn't eat anything that I thought I would eat."
Shubh: Well, and then with kids, too, uh, uh, but mine are much older now, so they eat everything. But like, you know, you go through this period where they can't even like physically chew a bunch of the vegetables.
Andrew: Yeah.
Shubh: So you really are like every meal y- you wanna make like, "Oh, this one will have broccolini and rapini with it," but really it's like, "Oh, it's got cucumbers."
Andrew: Yeah, yeah. And now it-
Shubh: That, that's what everybody can chew ...
Andrew: put a little bit of pepper on it, it's like-
Shubh: Yeah ...
Andrew: too spicy.
Shubh: And then you gotta swing back later- Oh, yeah
and you're like, you're reintroducing all the other vegetables. Yeah. Um.
Andrew: Yeah. Yeah. It's a whirlwind, yeah. Huh. Yeah. So vulner- vulnerability one [00:19:00] out of-
Shubh: We could do a whole o- Maybe me and Andrew just, uh, we'll do a separate podcast on parenting.
Andrew: There is a lot of parenting talk here. I mean, you have a lot of guests with lots of
Shubh: kids.
Well, I, my, my, my personal business is the other business called Indian Dadventures. I've read- So like- I've read some of your stuff, yeah ... it would be, uh, weird to not talk about being a dad. I feel like I'm, uh, like a second dad to Phil, though.
Andrew: Yeah.
Philippe: No, you're not.
Shubh: No. I said I-
Andrew: That's what any, that's what any kid would say, Phil
Shubh: I said- Or Adrian
I... Thank you, Andrew. I said, "I feel like."
Philippe: Right.
Shubh: You can't dismiss how I feel. That's true. I didn't say, "I am."
Andrew: Right? That's right. That's
Shubh: right. I said, "I feel." It's an opinion. Right? Sometimes.
Andrew: It's Shubh's opinion. Shubh's opinion. Just because you don't feel like his kid. It's
Shubh: not my opinion, it's my feelings, guys.
We're getting vulnerable. This is, uh, this is vulnerability. His back on your business is on the line. But after that, I guess, uh- ... time for Phil to spread his wings and leave the nest. That's why he's, "I'm out of here, [00:20:00] Dad. I'm going to Europe for two weeks."
Philippe: To London.
Andrew: Going to London. To meet the love of my life.
Philippe: Yes. Oh, I hope
Shubh: so. I'm gonna get a new career. I'm gonna start a whole new podcast with some English fellas.
Philippe: Could you imagine?
Shubh: It's gonna be called Top of
Philippe: the Morning. Is that English
Andrew: or Irish?
Philippe: Your, your business is on the telly.
Andrew: Oh yeah, I forgot about the accents here. Ton
Shubh: business est sur la ligne. He's going to France too.
Philippe: Uh, you stopping anywhere else in Europe? Uh, Stockholm. Ooh. Cool.
Shubh: Lovable headquarters. You gonna
Philippe: go check that out? Uh, I had no plans, but I should try and get an intro. You
Shubh: should. Yeah. Cool. It's a good company.
Andrew: Yeah, that's-
Shubh: You should do your sweep back there ... Are they a sponsor yet? Lovable? Yeah. Uh, no. They should've been.
I feel like, I mean, I don't want to take too much credit for their success. In this town, I d- I got a lot of people to start using Lovable.
Andrew: Totally.
Shubh: I would say, like, 20.
Andrew: You're the reason I knew about it.
Shubh: Right.
Philippe: Mm.
Andrew: Yeah. And then you talked about it for the first, like, three episodes.
Shubh: Thanks, Andrew.
Andrew: Yeah. I appreciate it.
Haven't heard about it since, but-
Shubh: Yeah. Hey, can you go [00:21:00] to Lovable and see if they'll sponsor our podcast?
Philippe: I can do that. I got a coffee with, uh, the trade commissioner in Sweden.
Shubh: You- The trade commissioner needs to get you a meeting with Lovable.
Philippe: Yeah, I should ask him.
Shubh: You guys do all those, uh- That is, that's their job
You do all the, uh, hackathons and stuff.
Philippe: Yeah, we do.
Shubh: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Like, legitimately, you should have a meeting at Lovable.
Philippe: Okay. Uh, let me, let me text the guy. I also, like, we had a, uh, one of the guys at Saab come to our event at Edmonton last week.
Shubh: Like Saab, the car company?
Philippe: Well, that's what he explained to me.
I kept introducing him like that, and he was like, "No, we don't make cars anymore." It's not cars. "We sold that business." They just make fighter jets.
Andrew: Yes.
Shubh: They just make fighter jets?
Philippe: Yeah.
Andrew: Yeah.
Shubh: That's the coolest pivot I've ever heard in my life.
Philippe: Yeah. Yeah. And Canada's about to buy, like, 80 of them. '
Andrew: Cause didn't a lot of, like, the European brands start with, like, tanks and fighter jets, and then they, then they went to cars?
Right. And these guys are like, "No, no, no." "
Shubh: We're gonna go the other
Andrew: way." "We're going the other way. We're bored of cars, like, we build some jets."
Philippe: I think it was something, yeah, like World War II or something. Oh.
Shubh: This is probably an area we're gonna get ourselves-
Philippe: He [00:22:00] explained it to me, so let me do my best job of paraphrasing.
No, I'm
Shubh: joking.
Philippe: So anyway- It's an interesting story.
Shubh: Uh, Saab. I knew a guy with a Saab growing up.
Andrew: Yeah, cool cars.
Shubh: I don't know. They looked weird. I'm gl- I really like them ... I'm glad they got into fighter jets.
Andrew: But they're fast.
Shubh: Uh, the fighter jets?
Andrew: Well, I, I don't, I'm just assuming that the Saab cars were fast because they were too fast for cars.
They had to-
Shubh: I don't know that they were fast.
Andrew: Yeah, maybe not.
Shubh: That's a good question. I wasn't driving at the time, so-
Andrew: Felt weird though
Philippe: Andrew, do you have a business to pitch us?
Shubh: I've tried to ask him three times. Don't you fuck ... Now you're cutting me off. Shubh's rambling. Uh, Andrew, does, do you have a bus- Uh, wait, hold on.
I gotta tee it up so we, now we have clippable content.
Philippe: Pause.
Shubh: Andrew Brown, do you have a business idea to pitch us?
Andrew: Yeah, I came, I came with a couple. I came with
Philippe: a- Sweet.
Andrew: Yeah.
Shubh: Why do you look so surprised?
Andrew: Well, I thought I was gonna be the judge of your idea. I [00:23:00] didn't know how this, how this podcast worked.
But no, I do have a few.
Shubh: Yep.
Andrew: I'm not much of an idea guy. Like, I like to-
Shubh: You're really fucking teeing this up .
Andrew: No, but yeah, so, like, you know, be, be easy on me. Okay. This is, this is actually my vulnerability.
Philippe: Oh, I see.
Andrew: Um,
Shubh: it's- Is your vulnerability-
Andrew: Pitching original ideas Right?
Philippe: Is having an original
Andrew: thought.
Shubh: Yeah. Yeah. Uh-
Andrew: Uh- It's not really my thing ... I'm uncomfortable being original? Okay. Not really my thing. I'm like the right hand. I go in- Right ... I work with founders. I help them- Yeah, yeah ... you know, execute on the idea. I gotcha. Right? Yeah. Right? And that should come from, you know, like, deep expertise in an area.
Yeah. I'm like a-
Shubh: Now it's time to try it
Andrew: out on me ... mile wide, inch deep kind of-
Shubh: You know what? You, you- ... knowledge base ... let me tell you, as somebody who, uh, also is an operator, but likes to have wild ideas, you're just setting an artificial cap on your abilities You, you can be as cre- You don't know that idea?
You can be as creative- I gotta... Yeah. Yeah, I'm just trying to guess. You're trying- you can be as creative as you th- as... The world is your, uh, oyster.
Andrew: Well, we'll see, we'll see how many salsas I get.
Philippe: Okay.
Shubh: Well, it might be a bad idea- Yeah, I hope you will, I hope you- But that doesn't mean you [00:24:00] didn't have an idea, you know?
Andrew: Yeah.
Shubh: Right?
Andrew: Yeah.
Shubh: S- sometimes there's- There's
Andrew: kind of two gates, right?
Shubh: The journey- Did you have
Andrew: one?
Shubh: The journey is the destination.
Andrew: Did you have an idea? Yeah. Yes? No? Was it a good idea?
Shubh: It does- Yes ... kind of, a bit feel like you're stalling 'cause you don't have an idea. No,
Andrew: no. I got, I got a couple. I got a couple.
Who are you, Abdul Aziz? Category-changing podcast-
Shubh: Uh-huh ...
Andrew: in business comedy.
Shubh: Okay. This doesn't, I feel-
Andrew: No?
Shubh: Hmm.
Andrew: Not for you? Okay.
Shubh: I don't know.
Andrew: H- have they created a category yet for you guys?
Shubh: No.
Andrew: No?
Shubh: Because we, we, we're category creators.
Andrew: Oh, so- Yeah ... yeah, I mean, pioneers.
Shubh: If they create the category, then our whole shtick goes out the
Andrew: window.
Pioneers are, uh... Yeah, it's tough, tough call. If they create
Philippe: the cat- if they create the category
Shubh: Stop stalling,
Andrew: Matt. Okay, okay, okay. I got, I got a couple. I got a couple. Um, okay, so where do I wanna take this? So this one's actually a culmination of, of, uh, a few ideas that have been on the podcast already.
Okay. All right. Uh, just like, I'm listening to it, and then I'm experiencing a pain. This is, this is- And then I kind of- ... this is what we like to hear ... put all this together. So, [00:25:00] um, and maybe it's because, uh, we're almost in summer here, but we're not quite there. Like, you know- Yep ... the, the spring season here is-
Shubh: Called spring, yep
Andrew: right. Okay. So, and I feel like also, as I'm getting older, parts of my body are cold-
Shubh: Yep ...
Andrew: and other parts are not cold.
Shubh: Okay, I like where this is going.
Andrew: Right? Yeah. So you think, like, in a car, you're driving and, like, they have, like, climate control or whatever. Yep. So I can have, like... I don't have a car that does this, but, like, my feet can be warm-
Shubh: Yep
Andrew: but my face can be cold-
Shubh: Yep.
Andrew: Okay ... because I can't fall asleep, right?
Shubh: Yep.
Andrew: So then I, I kind of expanded that thought and I said, "You know, why can't I have, like, my right foot with hot air-
Shubh: Yep ...
Andrew: and then my left foot with cold air-
Shubh: Yep ...
Andrew: because it's in the sun or something-
Shubh: Yep ...
Andrew: and then my face, like, 21 degree, like am- ambient?"
Shubh: Yep.
Andrew: Um, and then I thought- ... why just a car?
Shubh: Yep.
Andrew: Right? Like- Life ... you know. Yeah, life. So humans like specific temperature, right?
Shubh: Yep.
Andrew: 21 degrees, but where on Earth is it always 21 degrees? You're either a little bit too hot or a little bit too cold, [00:26:00] right?
Shubh: Yep.
Andrew: So then I kinda combine this- It's a pretty good buildup
with the, the f- the, the Florts.
Shubh: Yep.
Andrew: Right? Yeah. You got, like, these- Florts. Oh ...
Shubh: whatever the hell they're called Yeah, yeah.
Philippe: Pandering.
Shubh: Pandering. Yeah. 75,000.
Andrew: Yeah. And, uh, and I think- ... you know, um, having a, a toddler maybe influences too because I'm- Yep ... like taking layers every... I don't know what to bring outside.
Yep,
Shubh: yep.
Andrew: Right? What temperature? It's 60 now, but then it's- Yeah ... you know, 25 in the sun and all that stuff. So anyways, I wanna be 21 degrees forever.
Shubh: In every part of your body?
Andrew: Every part of my body. I want it to be fully-
Shubh: Yep ...
Andrew: you know, like just every part... Well, maybe my toes wanna be, like, 22 degrees.
Shubh: Yep.
Andrew: Right? But I want it to be-
Shubh: Yeah. Groin 20 maybe ...
Andrew: for me.
Shubh: Yep.
Andrew: Um, so then I was thinking, "Okay. Well, that's cool," right? So then you have, like, an outfit.
Shubh: Yep.
Andrew: A whole maybe s- maybe a full single outfit.
Shubh: Yep.
Andrew: Um, that's fully temperature controlled-
Shubh: Yep ...
Andrew: to my preference at any given time, and it adapts to my [00:27:00] environment.
Shubh: But this is, like, a waking Eight Sleep. Whoa. This is, like, an Eight Sleep, but you're awake.
Andrew: That's right. It's- Yeah, exactly. So you have temperature control for sleep.
Shubh: Yeah.
Andrew: Why not when you're awake?
Shubh: This is a, a Eight Awake.
Andrew: Eight Awake. I w- I, I actually came for a- 16 Awake ... for a name for the business. Yeah.
So I'm glad that we- Yeah ... covered that briefly.
Shubh: Sorry. Uh-
Andrew: I'm not
Shubh: actually- ... we have to probably partner with the Eight Sleep people.
Andrew: Yeah, yeah.
Philippe: 16 Awake.
Shubh: Oh, yeah. That's right. Right. Uh, yes. That's correct.
Andrew: But you guys, it doesn't stop there.
Shubh: Oh, okay.
Andrew: Okay.
Philippe: So- But w- w- in my mind, though, first of all, I think the technology's there.
We just have to adopt it for, for, for commercial use because, uh, F1, Formula 1 drivers, have a suit that pumps, uh, cooling through them and whatever. I feel like we just use that, double it up,
Andrew: throw it- So it's like mobile air conditioning. Yeah.
Philippe: Yeah. Kind of.
Andrew: Yeah, yeah. I didn't know the tech... That's cool.
Shubh: It's temperature equalization too.
Andrew: So why can't everyone have that?
Shubh: Because, uh, the... Well, we'd have to find a cheaper alternative than the F1 teams
Andrew: have. Look, I'm not talking about feasibility here.
Shubh: That's right. The, the- You're an ideas guy today. Yeah,
Andrew: yeah.
Shubh: You're not an operational guy today.
Andrew: Like, I, [00:28:00] I, I prevented myself from going there.
Yeah,
Shubh: yeah.
Andrew: Right? We could
Philippe: use
Andrew: the- To be creative. Yeah.
Philippe: We could use old ones from the Formula... Like, once they're done wearing them.
Andrew: You know? I mean, that's a good, that's a good prototype.
Philippe: Yeah.
Andrew: Yeah.
Philippe: Once they've, like, sweat out. Yeah. Because they, like, lose, like, 10 kilos a race. Like, they're disgusting- Yeah
but you could just put... Does it work? You know?
Andrew: That's a great first product
Shubh: to sell. Yeah. Throw, throw in the laundry
Andrew: machine. Something completely disgusting that no one wants to wear. O-
Shubh: o- okay. You said, but wait. We're not, you're not
Andrew: done. Yeah, yeah. I'm not done. Okay. Okay. So, so then I thought, okay. You got, like, temperature control anywhere you go.
Yep. Right? But, you know- I, I spill on myself often.
Philippe: Okay.
Andrew: Like coffee, I'll have a sip, and it just, just drips. And then I'm like, "Oh, no." That's a
Philippe: huge vulnerability,
Andrew: man. Yeah. Yeah, that's good. Terrible. And it got way worse with kids. Like, it was just... Now it's just, I just, I wear w- a shirt, like I'm wearing white today.
Bad. Bad, bad.
Shubh: Actually, you know the first time I think you and I had coffee you might have actually mentioned this, and then I think you kinda did spill a bit- It's just- ... of coffee on your shirt.
Andrew: It's just like within 20 minutes of putting on a new shirt. I forgot
Shubh: that. That's right.
Andrew: There's a [00:29:00] stain on it.
Yeah. And I, I, you know, I just, I can't help myself. I don't know why it happens, it just does. Yeah. That's just who I am. So then I thought, "Okay, you got your temperature control outfit."
Shubh: Yep.
Andrew: And, like, you can adjust it, right? Of course. So, like- Obviously ... okay, I'm gonna enter- Yep ... inside. I'm gonna adjust the temperature, blah, blah.
Shubh: Well, ideally it self-adjusts.
Andrew: And then, okay, I'm gonna drink a coffee.
Shubh: Yep.
Andrew: Shields up. Right
Shubh: What do you mean?
Andrew: So I say, "Shields up," and it goes shoop- Yeah ... and a cover comes over-
Shubh: Yeah ...
Andrew: my vulnerable- It does- ... spilling area. ...
Shubh: feel like you're combining two incredibly different ideas.
Andrew: I've... W- But why? Yeah. Why not, why not be the same thing?
Shubh: It does feel like you're just, you're just trying to solve d- My own- ... your ideas- My whole... Yeah ... a- an Andrew suit.
Andrew: That's right.
Philippe: Do, do you think you s- you spill more than your daughter?
Andrew: No.
Shubh: Uh, Andrew's wife- But- ... does he spill more than his daughter?
Andrew: But, well, I mean...
Shubh: I would like a third-party validation.
Andrew: I'm, like, d- too, too close.
Yeah, like, yeah, more than the [00:30:00] average man, we'll say. Okay. Uh, I would say. Why do you
Shubh: think that is?
Andrew: I, I, I'm distracted. You know, I
Shubh: just- I mean, you're talking to two pretty distracted fellas here.
Andrew: Yeah.
Shubh: Phil, do you regularly spill on yourself?
Philippe: Um-
Shubh: Like, regularly. No. Like, more than a regular person.
Philippe: No, not more than a regular person.
Shubh: Yeah, I would say I don't either more than a regular person.
Andrew: But there are people like me that do spill. Yeah, there are
Philippe: people like you.
Shubh: I don't think that you and me- But you're, you played sports. You tumbled. You're not an uncoordinated fella.
Andrew: I-
Shubh: A lot of times the spillers are pretty uncoordinated ...
Andrew: it's just, like, that, that moment when you're lifting your coffee to your lips and then a thought c- like, an original idea comes through.
Shubh: Yeah
Andrew: And then you go, "Oh." Do you
Shubh: need... Do you spill? Have you ever worn glasses?
Andrew: Y- Yeah, I do need glasses. I do need glasses. Yeah. I, I'm, like, borderline, so-
Shubh: Yeah ... I,
Andrew: uh, I- So
Shubh: maybe this Andrew suit could have some glasses on
Andrew: it ... I passed the driver test.
Shubh: He's doing air quotes.
Andrew: But, like, night, not good. Right. Yeah, depth perception, a little off and- Maybe it's...
Yeah
Shubh: Yeah ... I was gonna say, you might just have a depth perception problem.
Philippe: Those couple of millimeters-
Andrew: Yeah, but- ...
Philippe: to your lips.
Andrew: I don't wanna solve that. I wanna solve [00:31:00] for my clothing.
Shubh: Yeah, okay. I see.
Andrew: Yeah.
Shubh: Like a catchment.
Andrew: Yeah.
Shubh: Uh- We don't
Philippe: wanna solve the root issue
Shubh: here ... I, I'm not going to, uh, uh, get into the, the, the Spill Saver 1000.
Andrew: We were just-
Shubh: We should call it Shields Up. Or Shields Up. Uh, I do actually weirdly like this temperature control idea.
Philippe: The temperature control is brilliant.
Shubh: So let me tell you a little bit about temperature control. You get old. You get cold.
Andrew: I think this is what's happening to... Like, I'm-
Shubh: And then, um, um-
Andrew: experiencing it ...
Shubh: every, uh, woman my age, uh, talks about periome- perimenopausal s- ... perimenopausal s- symptoms. I often, uh, uh, uh, d- unpopularly, I'm like, "Well, I... You know, maybe I have it too because I'm hot and cold all the time." Uh, but the point is- I'm sure they have it literally ... I get very hot or cold. And, uh, so now I coach a lot of outdoor sports, kids' sports.
It's very cold in the evenings, and I get there, I'm wearing [00:32:00] four layers And then, but the... If I don't keep my core warm, it's curtains for my whole body. Everything's done.
Andrew: Yeah. Yeah.
Shubh: So, uh, this is a great idea.
Andrew: So- It
Philippe: could be like long johns ...
Andrew: but for your whole body.
Shubh: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Long- Long- Longer johns
Andrew: longer johns.
Shubh: That sounds really gross.
Andrew: We'll work on the name, but that's exactly it. Yeah. And it could all just be like you slip in in the morning, right? Yeah. And you put, you know, it's like you're, you're w- all in one outfit You
Shubh: wear, you wear it under your clothes. It'd be pretty handy in this room right now.
Andrew: Yeah.
Philippe: Yeah, totally. It could cool you down- I mean- ... but in the winter too it could keep you warm.
Andrew: I do think that that's where part of the idea came from, just listening to you guys talk about how hot this room is all the time.
Philippe: Oh, wow.
Andrew: Wait, hold on. I was like, like I didn't know what I was gonna wear here.
Shubh: What are these things made out of? 'Cause d- doesn't just like wearing something neoprene just also make you hot?
Andrew: Yeah. Again, I didn't get to the feasibility- Idea should... Yeah ... part. It was just, I thought this was an idea podcast. I
Shubh: kind of like the idea if it was just-
Andrew: You're the operator ...
Shubh: if it was just tubes.
[00:33:00] You know, I was just, that was just- I love the fact that I just listened to that
Andrew: episode ...
Shubh: just wrapping some tubes around me, you know? Right. And there wasn't even another outfit. You know, it's just a bunch of series of tubes.
Andrew: Just coils.
Shubh: Just a radiant heating and cooling for my body.
Andrew: Yeah, yeah.
Philippe: So you're referring to the pneumatic tubes?
Andrew: Yes. Yeah, I just listened to that episode. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Philippe: That's a very
Shubh: controversial topic.
Philippe: That was a controversial
Andrew: topic. Really? Oh, really?
Shubh: Yeah. I mean, I... Controversial in that these guys were wrong, and I think pneumatic tubes are awesome and should be everywhere.
Andrew: I think they're great. This could be cool.
I mean it... Yeah.
Shubh: I think that the body temperature equalization device is great. But I got Rita a heated vest for, uh, Mother's Day last year, and, uh, I borrowed it a couple times. Um, it's a little snug.
But it's incredible. It,
Andrew: it works well?
Shubh: But it's, uh, you know, it's got, it's got the electro mag- You know, you know, a little, you know, I don't want all the fields around me all the time, you know?
Andrew: Yeah. Yeah.
Shubh: Uh, but this thing, if it's a, [00:34:00] if it's a f- fluid-based, if it's good enough for the F1, it's good enough for me.
Philippe: Yeah.
Andrew: Yeah. Fluid-based.
Shubh: Yeah.
Andrew: Yep.
Shubh: Uh-
Andrew: You can, like... Yeah, I don't know, maybe have to wear a backpack around so that it-
Shubh: I, then that's- I mean, I don't know. A
Philippe: bit of a fanny, though. I think you could get away with a fanny.
Andrew: Yeah.
Shubh: I think it'd start to look weird. I think you have to embed the storage into areas of your body where it'll be difficult for people to, to know.
Andrew: Around, around the thighs.
Shubh: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. The, the buttocks.
Andrew: Yeah, yeah. Uh, so then-
Shubh: Pectorals ...
Andrew: then it's, looks good too. Yeah, you just look a little-
Shubh: Gives you a bit of lift ... a little more jacked.
Andrew: That's
Philippe: kind of brilliant. Yeah.
Shubh: Yep.
Andrew: Yeah.
Shubh: What's this thing called?
Andrew: Well, I ca-
Shubh: Oh, 16 Awake is pretty good,
Andrew: actually.
Yeah. I, I was thinking, like, you know, mobile AC or, you know, something like that. I don't know.
Shubh: Oh, that's really good.
Andrew: Yeah, I'm not- It's not ... I'm not much for names.
Shubh: It's, uh-
Andrew: What was the one that you said about the, the-
Shubh: 16- ...
Andrew: Awake?
Shubh: 16 Awake with Philippe. 16 Awake. Yeah.
Andrew: Oh, okay. That's pretty good. For the other s- the other 16 hours of the day?
That's... Yeah, yeah. Yeah. [00:35:00]
Philippe: But, uh, let, let me think about this some more. Um-
Shubh: Uh, cool IT. Think that's taken. Cool, cool
Andrew: IP. Cool... No,
Shubh: that's different.
Andrew: Cool AC. Oh, that's-
Shubh: No, that's probably taken ...
Andrew: yeah.
Shubh: But it's, you... It, it's not just cool or hot. It's, it's, it's climate control.
Andrew: It's-
Shubh: It's climate control for your body.
Andrew: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So what would that... What's the word for that?
Shubh: Corp- corp- corpus. Corp- corpse. No, that implies you're gonna be dead.
Uh, corp- corporeal. No.
Philippe: I do think, like, there's a, there's a... 'Cause, 'cause you have the, again, Long Johns, or that's what I call, like, long underwear.
Shubh: Yeah, yeah.
Philippe: And the, and the... What happened, what, what do you call it there when you have the, the long shirt under layer?
Shubh: It's a good thing. I don't... The, I think that's called, like, your base layer.
I don't think it has a name. Your base layer. I don't think it has a name like Long Johns.
Philippe: So, so, okay, so could we call, you know, something around layer?
Shubh: Yep.
Philippe: Temperature layer.
Shubh: [00:36:00] Yep.
Philippe: Climate layer.
Andrew: Layer Up.
Philippe: Layer Up. You're obsessed with up.
Andrew: I can see it. I can see the branding.
Philippe: Yeah.
Andrew: Clim- Ooh ...
Shubh: Climo
Philippe: Well, what do you, what do you think of a Climate Layer?
That's kind of
Shubh: nice Climate, Climate Layer's pretty good.
Philippe: Control layer?
Andrew: Climate control layer.
Philippe: Could, could you not even control, like, your average temperature, but also, like, you could control different parts of your body?
Shubh: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah? Uh, yeah. You'd have to. I mean- Yeah ... I don't, again-
Andrew: Like core versus-
summertime- ... extremities ... you
Shubh: want
Andrew: your
Shubh: groin- Yeah ... to be cooler.
Andrew: And, like, that's the whole thing is, like, some parts of your body are- Gross ... are warmer than others, and you
Shubh: could- Well, you gotta. You gotta have a cool groin.
Philippe: Don't be crass.
Shubh: I'm not being crass. A cool groin's very important for many reasons.
Philippe: What's next? You gonna start talking about dildos? Huh?
Shubh: No,
Andrew: you brought
Shubh: that up. Listen, brother, I got all my kids. Cool groin's not as important to me as it will be for you. Cool groin? Is
Andrew: that the name?
Shubh: The cool groin's a whole other thing. That's a, that's [00:37:00] a website, I'm sure.
Andrew: Don't, don't Google
Shubh: it. Do not Google. Don't Google. Kids out there, do not Google or ask ChatGPT what cool groin is. I'm just kidding. I don't know what it is. Uh, clima- clima- yeah, there's the ClimaCool, but layers. You're right, there's something there with layer.
Philippe: What do you think about this idea?
Shubh: Perfect. I think it's a really good idea.
Philippe: Yeah?
Shubh: Yeah. I think it's a really good idea 'cause I struggle with temperature control. Um, as I get older, I think it's gonna get worse. I think I'm, I'm, I'm cold. I never used to be cold. I'm cold all the time now. It's ridiculous. Uh, and then sometimes I'm super hot.
I was walking over here to the studio. It's pretty warm outside. I was kinda getting sweaty.
Andrew: Yeah.
Shubh: A layer cool. What'd you call
Philippe: it? Climate Layer.
Shubh: Climate Layer?
Philippe: Yeah. Climate Layer sounds like a serious product. What about- That
Shubh: everyone needs ... ClimaLayer? What if we drop the T? Just flows a little better.
ClimaLayer.
Philippe: That's kinda cool. It's, [00:38:00] yeah, that's not bad. Perfect.
Shubh: Yeah, that's what the, that's what the slogan would be. That's kinda cool. That's kinda cool. Uh, I pretty m- I, yeah, I'm a big fan. I think it does fit into the, uh, to the aqua adjacent category, too. I don't know that I love the, it's got this spill guard on it.
Andrew: Well, that could be, I mean, that could be the second pitch. We could just talk about-
Shubh: Yeah ... shields up. Well, let's come back to that one. Yeah. Uh, yeah, I'm a, I like ClimaLayer, uh, 61 Celsius. Out of 75.
Andrew: You guys are getting really, uh- stingy with those salsas lately. I, I feel like the first five episodes are like everyone got 74
Shubh: salsas.
so grateful that people were just coming on the show at that point. You felt like you didn't want- The bar
Andrew: is higher.
Philippe: Yeah,
Shubh: that's right. Yeah. And then eventually we were like, "Okay, well-" Heard enough. Now- You've heard enough ideas ... and this feels like work, so there's just a bit of like, you know, we'll just drop, everybody's getting five salsas knocked off-
'cause we're just like, "Fuck, this feels like a job now," you know?
Philippe: Oh, my God. Does it feel like a job?
Shubh: I'm just kidding. No, it's really a lot of fun. [00:39:00] Uh, what do you got, Philippe?
Philippe: This is actually a really good idea. I really like it, and I think it's feasible. So I... Would you give it a 70? I
Shubh: give it a 61.
Philippe: I think this is a 70 sauce idea.
I think this is a really strong idea.
Shubh: Oh, boom. It's pretty good.
Andrew: Amazing.
Philippe: Yeah.
Shubh: It's pretty good. Andrew, you did well. Uh, do you, is your second idea that you wanna talk about your spill guard, or do you have another second idea?
Andrew: No, no, I have another second idea.
Shubh: Okay. Can we rate the spill guard idea?
Andrew: Yeah, yeah.
Shubh: Yeah. It's a, it's a five. A
Andrew: five? That's it?
Shubh: No. I mean,
Andrew: you
Shubh: clearly don't spill on yourself. Well, hold on, how's it gonna work, though?
Andrew: So I was thinking it's, it's... Okay, it could be sold as an attachment to, uh, whatever we ended up calling that last one.
Shubh: Per-
Andrew: Perfect Temp? Well, I don't think that works at all.
Climate Layer. So-
Shubh: I do not think there's a big overlap in people who are like, "I need body temperature control, and I spill on myself." But if
Andrew: you got, like, a belt, right, that comes with it.
Shubh: Yeah.
Andrew: It's an accessory belt add-on.
Shubh: Yep.
Andrew: And it just detects when you're in danger of being spilled on- Yeah ... or spilling on yourself.
Shubh: It's like the barbecue cover. Yeah.
Andrew: Or it's like, you know, like, so th- th- this one actually came, yes, I spill on myself, but it [00:40:00] actually came from, uh, from my daughter as well, right? She got sticky hands.
Shubh: Yeah.
Andrew: And like, "Oh, Daddy," like, "Come hug."
Shubh: Yeah.
Andrew: And I'm like, "I, I can't, like-
Shubh: Yeah, you- ... not hug" ... be like, "Go wash your hands."
Andrew: Because I don't wanna give her the idea that I don't wanna hug- Trauma ... but I got clean clothes on.
Shubh: Yeah.
Andrew: And so what I did- Well,
Shubh: it doesn't sound like, brother, you, you ever have clean
Andrew: clothes on. No, no, but I try to protect them as much as possible. So then I say, "Okay, uh-
Shubh: You mean in the three-minute window between you put on your clothes and when you spill coffee on yourself?
Andrew: That's right. That's usually when I'm, you know, hanging out with my, with my-
Shubh: Yeah, I got you.
Andrew: Okay ... and, uh, she's got peanut butter all over her hands. Yeah. Right? Something like that. And so I go, "Shields up," and it goes shoom.
Shubh: Yeah.
Andrew: And then I can hug her free. Hug your daughter, yeah. And then shields down. And-
Shubh: You don't...
So you're just trying to save your daughter the emotional trauma of not accepting the hug.
Andrew: That's right.
Shubh: How do you think she reacts to when you have a turtle shell around you and she's trying to hug you? It
Andrew: could be a soft shell. I mean, it's gotta be washable, right? So you, you'd be able
to
Philippe: like- Right
Andrew: remove it and throw it in the
Shubh: wash. So just one time use.
Andrew: Yeah.
Shubh: Uh, listen, I do think- It's kind
Philippe: or it's kinda like those avalanche protectors, you know, when, uh, skiers get [00:41:00] caught in
Shubh: avalanches- That's right ... and it just like- Yeah. Yeah ...
Philippe: blows over their head. That's
Andrew: right.
Philippe: It could be, yeah, something like that.
Shubh: Uh, I like the idea of when you, uh, I... One application I could see of this is, you know, it doesn't happen to me too often, when I dress up either for a meeting or I gotta go somewhere fancy, and then I gotta, you know, maybe I'm about to eat something before that Then I could maybe see like a, hey, I would need, um, something.
I do believe though because, uh, the frequency for me is, uh, low, I would just kinda put a towel on, you know? Like just like hang a towel around my- Like a bed? ... neck. Yeah.
Andrew: Yeah.
Shubh: Yeah. Yeah. Um, so I don't know, Philippe, how do you feel about this, uh, shields up?
Philippe: I feel the same way. Yeah. Yeah. I'm trying to think of when it would be useful.
Shubh: Yeah. I do think Andrew should get one.
Philippe: Yeah.
Shubh: Yeah.
Andrew: So I'll just spill it for myself.
Shubh: I think this might be- Or one, one ... you know, Shi- Shy was on, and he built the footle for his parents. Like-
Andrew: I l- that was the best idea I've heard.
Shubh: Yeah. It's probably, if you think about it- Like,
Andrew: that's not just for Shy. That's-
Shubh: That probably could be one of the reasons you're spilling on yourself, right?
You're trying to open the door, and you've got a coffee. A
Andrew: handful [00:42:00] of stuff, and I'm trying to- Go
Philippe: to the-
Shubh: Yeah. I w- I would bet that's 30% of your coffee spills.
Andrew: So you think that I can replace the shield top- ... with a f-
Shubh: foot- I think a footle. I think maybe if you just buy it on Shy's Footle, maybe that... maybe what we need to do is figure out the root cause of your spilling and start to address those incrementally.
Philippe: Yeah, maybe, like, a pair of glasses and a footle.
Shubh: Yeah, yeah. Like 70% of the spills. A pair of glasses, like a little, a little, like, a little, the, get the old depth perception. All right.
Andrew: All right.
Shubh: Like a coffee- Problem solved ... a coffee mug that, you know, spill proof. Right. Right? You know?
Andrew: So you're s- you're saying just not a big enough problem
Shubh: to solve.
And also, Lucy, wash your hands, right? Yeah. If Lucy could start to- Yeah, this is a two-step idea ... start washing her hands- Mm ... like, yeah, it's not a great-
Andrew: Well, that wasn't real. It wasn't my second idea, so. Okay, great.
Shubh: Oh, okay. This was his second. The classic. Yeah. This is the classic.
Andrew: You'd buy the c- the, the core product and not the accessory.
Shubh: A- Andrew just hit us with this, "Uh, you can't fire me. I quit." That was your
Andrew: second idea. I'm out.
Shubh: Yeah. All right. Let's hear the, uh, other idea. I like the body cooler.
Andrew: All right. I, I don't know.
Shubh: Ooh, body cooler.
Andrew: Oh.
Shubh: It's [00:43:00] pretty good.
Andrew: But it's not just cool.
Shubh: That's true.
Andrew: Yeah.
Shubh: Body warmer.
Andrew: Perfect temp. Perfect temp.
Perf temp. Temp perfect. Temp perfect. Yeah. S-
Shubh: Tempur-Pedic.
Andrew: I, I- There you go. That's a
Shubh: mattress ... think
Andrew: I, yeah. Uh, okay, so this one-
Shubh: Yep ...
Andrew: um, comes from the operator mind- Yep ... that's got decision fatigue.
Shubh: Okay.
Andrew: Right? So you got a million decisions to make all the time.
Shubh: Yep.
Andrew: And, you know, you eventually get to the point where you're just like, "I just can't make any decisions anymore."
Like zero decisions, right? And then I think, "Well, why is that?" And it's like, usually, you're just, like, I'm missing a little bit of context. I just need, like, a nudge to get over this decision. This could be big decisions or small decisions or anything, right?
Shubh: Yep.
Andrew: Um, what I really need in those moments is just, like, something to show me the pro- and with probabilities associated, the second order effects of that decision in that [00:44:00] moment so that I can then make the decision and move on.
Right? 'Cause I think a lot of the times people can't make decisions 'cause they just don't-
Shubh: Can't visualize it ...
Andrew: they can't visualize. They don't know what's gonna happen. Like, like, you know, going to London on a first date- ... for instance, like, what is going to happen there? And, like, what's the good and the bad?
Philippe: Is, is that, is that... So I guess we're c- continuing this story.
Shubh: No, no. I mean, I'll cut that out. Uh, I, uh... It's gonna, it's gonna be, uh, so I guess beeping to beeping.
Philippe: No, I mean, look, uh, we can disclose that I'd got a bit of a date in London, yeah.
Shubh: I mean- Oh,
Andrew: sorry. I thought- I- ...
Shubh: I
Andrew: thought we were recording for that.
Philippe: I know,
Shubh: but- Yeah, listen, it's up to you- ... Shubh's even gonna cut it. It's up to you what you're willing to share. I mean, I think there's an open question whether it's a date or not. I think that, uh- Well, we m-
Philippe: we matched on Hinge.
Shubh: Yeah, I mean, I think y- you saw each other on Hinge. I don't know if... Anyway,
Philippe: the point
Shubh: is- What do you mean?
I don't wanna get bogged down in semantics. Um, I like, uh s-
Philippe: Her m- her mum- ... [00:45:00] has been advocating for this for a long time.
Shubh: Yeah, a- arranged. This is arranged.
Philippe: Yeah, exactly.
Shubh: You matched on Arranged by way of Hinge.
Philippe: By way of Hinge, yeah. That's right. It
Shubh: just- The great thing is when I started this podcast with you, I legitimately did not know what Hinge was.
And now I feel like I'm, uh, a- Learning so much.
Uh, I like the idea of, uh-
Philippe: Well, but tell me more what it would look like. Like, how is it making these decisions?
Andrew: So it, it has s- some context, let's say, right?
Yeah. It knows you. Yep. It knows y- you know, your, uh, your situation, let's say. Yep. What you're trying to achieve, your out- His situation ... your goals. Yep. Right? What you're trying to achieve. And so it has this North Star, and then you go through the day, and you have, like, hundreds of decisions to make.
Shubh: Yeah.
Andrew: And are those contributing towards your al- your, your, your North Star? So I don't know. Interface-wise, d- I don't know yet, but let's assume that you have smart glasses on, right?
Shubh: Well, this is a, this is a, um... Okay, you know how they... You guys follow sports much?
Andrew: Yeah.
Shubh: You like [00:46:00] sports? Yeah. 'Cause, you know, when they say, um, um, the, the Jets have a 72% chance of making the playoffs, they're running effectively- Yes
simulations on every possible outcome based on probability, right?
Andrew: That's exactly right.
Shubh: And then they're going like, "Here's what the pro- here's what's gonna happen." Yep. So I think what you're building is a, you're building a simulation engine, but for work.
Philippe: It's like a Polymarket for your own life.
Andrew: Not just work, though.
Life. Well, yeah. Yeah, Polymarket on life. Yeah, like just give me the odds. Y-
Shubh: it's- Right? Um- ... it's Sim City but real life.
Andrew: Yeah. And if I do this, what are the odds that I'm gonna end up hurt or injured or worse off?
Shubh: With spaghetti on your shirt.
Andrew: Right? And you, you might be able to... Yeah, with spaghetti. Exactly.
Uh, and you might be, you know, able to accept it if you knew that, yeah, there's a chance that something bad could happen, but it's only 26%. Yeah,
Shubh: you're rolling the dice.
Andrew: I'm all right with it.
Shubh: So, um, at ZayZoon, people, as we grew, would sometimes say, "Hey, like, sometimes execs have trouble making decisions." And I was like, "Yeah, sometimes."
Andrew: Yeah.
Shubh: But a lot of times, people can't make decisions 'cause they don't have the information in front of them at the [00:47:00] time.
Andrew: That's right.
Shubh: So I would say, like, you go... The thing I would always try to put to the team is, like, try to, try to make it a binary path. Right? So you, uh, the analogy I would use is if you've ever, uh, built a house or done a renovation and someone says, um, uh, "Hey, Shubh, what kind of tile do you want in your kitchen?"
And you go into the store and there's 400 tiles. You're like, "I don't know."
Andrew: Mm-hmm.
Shubh: But if someone just goes, "Shubh, this one or this one?" And I go, "That one." And then they go, "This one or this one?" I go, "That one." Like, it's the NCAA tournament approach, right? Yeah. Like, you get to the outcome by selecting-
Andrew: Yeah
Shubh: who wins each round. Um, so like we're a game theory simulation for, for life. That's right. I like it for work a lot, actually. I like it for work even more than I like it for life.
Andrew: Well, obviously, uh, I'm more thinking about it for work. Yeah. But, I mean, it could be applied in a lot of different ways.
Shubh: You could just build this- Yeah
and, uh, provide it to your clients as part of your, uh, engagement.
Andrew: Yeah, I thought about it. Is it- Thought about it. But it, it's more like-
Shubh: Let's try... Hey, gang, can we try it for Phil- Yeah, yeah ... with, uh, Tech Thursday?
Philippe: Okay.
Shubh: Okay. So, uh, Tech Thursday, fastest growing [00:48:00] tech community brand in the country.
Philippe: Yeah.
Shubh: Four sold-out events over the last couple of weeks.
Philippe: That's right. We just said fastest growing. I don't know if we're allowed to.
Shubh: Hey, number one business comedy podcast. Okay. That's right. Uh, fastest growing tech community, and its media arm is home of the number one business comedy co- podcast in the country.
Philippe: There you go.
Shubh: Uh, okay, so let's game what, what Phil's got a str- what, uh, uh, strategic decision to make, um- Hmm.
Philippe: Yeah. Okay
Shubh: Should you have a stampede party or not?
Philippe: Okay.
Shubh: All right.
Philippe: Should we have a stampede party or not- Yeah ... in our new office?
Shubh: Yeah.
Philippe: Now, we- so-
Shubh: So we're both- We're about to sign a new- Andrew and I are gonna play the role of the, the, the, the tool here.
Andrew: Yeah.
Shubh: So you have a, you have a stampede party. Andrew, what, what's a positive outcome?
Andrew: Positive outcome?
Shubh: Yeah.
Andrew: Oh, lots of new connections. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, good things happen, good outcomes. People love it. They tell all, all their friends.
Shubh: We, uh- Get drunk maybe ... revenue, a little revenue
Andrew: Little revenue comes in
little bit of revenue, yeah. Yeah.
Philippe: Oh, I doubt it. I think it would be a cost center, but-
Shubh: Yeah. We get
Andrew: a couple- No, no, but the, we're, we're not on negatives yet.
Shubh: You get a couple, yeah.
Philippe: Oh.
Andrew: Yeah, so- Like,
Philippe: long-term revenue.
Andrew: Yeah, you get, you get- [00:49:00] ROI ... some revenue. You get, you build the brand. Yep. You're associated with the greatest outsh- outdoor show on Earth.
Shubh: Yep. Right. You'll get me out to one stampede event,
Andrew: which- Yeah. You, you, you host your sponsors in a place- Yeah ... that they can connect with their audience. Or your, your,
Shubh: your media partners.
Andrew: Your media partners. Yeah. In a place that they can connect with who they want to
Shubh: connect with. You do a live po- uh, podcast recording at the stampede party.
Philippe: Whoa. In the middle of the stampede party.
Andrew: Think about, you know, the second effects of that.
Shubh: Yeah.
Andrew: Right?
Philippe: Yeah.
Shubh: Holy shit.
Andrew: Could be good.
Shubh: Uh, okay. I'll do the, I'll do the downside.
Andrew: I got a couple too, but- Uh ...
Shubh: you go first. Oh, yeah, okay. Uh, uh, it's a lot of work.
Philippe: Yep. Mm-hmm.
Shubh: Uh, d- uh, uh, dis- distraction from f- core focus.
Philippe: Yep.
Andrew: Mm-hmm.
Shubh: Uh, people get too drunk. Mm. Liability. Uh,
Philippe: Yahoo.
Shubh: Uh, um, maybe, uh, uh, Andrew and I aren't available that week and we can't come.
Philippe: That's true. That's true, too.
Shubh: That takes it out of lives. Uh-
Philippe: Opportunity cost. That could be-
Shubh: Opportunity cost. You could be a... What could you be doing?
Philippe: Well, probably at a stampede tent.
Shubh: Yeah, someone else's.
Philippe: Yeah, someone else's
Shubh: [00:50:00] party. Yeah, someone else's. Well,
Andrew: there's, like, a worst-case scenario, like, the place burns down.
Philippe: Right.
Andrew: Right? That's, like, a 0.001% chance. Yeah, yeah. But- Really low, but it's there.
Shubh: Yeah. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Andrew: Yeah.
Shubh: Okay. So based on that, Andrew, what's the tool telling us? We should do it or not?
Andrew: So it's saying, hey, there's a lot of upside here. Yeah. Uh-huh. Asymmetric downside.
Shubh: Yeah.
Andrew: I think you should probably do it.
Shubh: Yeah.
Philippe: And wh- Right? Why is there, why is there asymmetric downside?
Andrew: Well, the downside, I mean, I, uh, I... Well- Look, worst-case scenario, it burns down. That's really, really bad. But the- Right ... the odds of that happening are so
Philippe: low.
Also so low.
Shubh: So, so- You guys, you got j- you got, you know?
Andrew: Yeah.
Shubh: You got-
Andrew: Right ...
Shubh: CGL. You got, your insurance r- needs are covered by-
Philippe: Uh, Broker Link
Shubh: By Broker Link. Shout out Broker Link
Philippe: Shout out Broker
Shubh: Link.
Philippe: Nice. They're great, actually Nice.
Shubh: Yeah.
..
Philippe: . My boy Kent is, is the bomb. Yeah.
Andrew: Shout out, shout out Kent. Shout out Kent. Um, but upside- Yep ... high probability of some pretty good outcomes.
Shubh: Yeah.
Andrew: Right?
Shubh: Vibes alone.
Andrew: Guaranteed
Shubh: vibes.
Andrew: Ab- guaranteed vibes, good time. Yeah. Everyone's gonna have fun.
Shubh: Let's be honest-
Andrew: Connections ... can we talk
Shubh: about stampede parties for a second? Most of them are [00:51:00] not fun.
Andrew: Yeah.
Shubh: Especially at this age.
Andrew: You have the chance to make one that is fun.
Shubh: Like the
Andrew: premiere- The, the party- I'm- ... for the stampede.
Philippe: Yeah. I have, I have so many things going on. I already have a pretty sick party that my nonprofit runs on July 2nd.
We, uh, uh, launched tickets- Right ... last, last week. Sorry,
Shubh: we don't just randomly plug things. No, we do. Uh, talk more about this, uh, nonprofit.
Philippe: It's called Our First Rodeo. It's the third annual Our First Rodeo.
Shubh: Where can people find tickets, Philippe?
Philippe: On Eventbrite. They can look up Our First Rodeo- Are they already sold out?
2026. Um, they're 50% sold out.
Shubh: Yeah. Wow. Wait, hold on. Let me... Can you...? Are they already sold out?
Philippe: Almost.
Shubh: Yeah. Better act fast.
Philippe: Yeah, they might be sold out- Yeah, yeah ... by the time this podcast comes out. That's all right. In fact, the event might have happened by the time this podcast comes out. Yeah,
Andrew: what is this, 25 airing?
Philippe: I don't know. What are we on right now?
Shubh: No, we're only a week. We're... This will be quick. Right. It'll be, it'll be pre-event.
Philippe: But I think it will be sold out by the time this comes out.
Shubh: Well, we'll see.
Philippe: We'll see. You never know. If it's [00:52:00] not, that'll be embarrassing. Sold out
Andrew: fast for you.
Shubh: Well, that's great. Hey, uh, sorry you missed out.
Philippe: Yeah. Hey, so-
Shubh: I'll just, we'll record. I'll... Super scenario. Yeah. We're doing Andrew's tool. Join the- We're providing for all the scenarios. Yeah.
Philippe: Let's, let's do, like, a choose your own adventure. And you have to cut it-
Shubh: Yeah, that's right ...
Philippe: based on what happens
Shubh: in real
Philippe: life.
Shubh: That's right. That's right. Uh, okay. Uh, hey, so everybody, can't wait to see you at Philippe's Stampede event, uh- There's still-
July 6th ...
Philippe: there's still 20 more tickets available, so get them
Shubh: now. 27 tickets. And, uh, uh, it's great that you're coming to his Stampede event because, uh, our first rodeo sold out.
Andrew: Already done. Oh,
Shubh: wow. Yeah. Yeah, that one sold out. Uh, uh, Andrew and I got the last two tickets.
Andrew: Join the wait list.
Philippe: Join the
Shubh: wait
Philippe: list.
Shubh: Yeah. Join the wait list for 2027- ... our first rodeo.
Philippe: Our fourth annual
Shubh: Our First Rodeo. Okay. Okay, we'll do this again. Uh, unfortunately, everybody, Tech Thursday will not be hosting a Stampede event this year- ... because we don't give a shit about the community.
Philippe: Whoa.
Shubh: Uh- What? ... and we ran out of pancake batter.
Andrew spilt all the pancake batter.[00:53:00]
He was carrying it out. Just dumped it all over the street, and that was it. I mean, the tarmac was really hot, so it immediately turned to actual pancake.
Anyway, uh, still a couple tickets left for our first rodeo.
Andrew: Hit 'em up.
Philippe: Hit... Yeah, that's right.
We, so, so if, if that's, yeah- ... if that's of interest, come on out. We're raising money for the Trellis Society.
Shubh: Ooh, what's the Trellis Society do? This is the serious part of the podcast.
Philippe: They are awesome. They, uh, um, they basically, like, they have so many services under one umbrella, and so we have a lot of confidence that they're one of the best kind of organizations if you care about things like youth unemployment-
Shubh: Care
Philippe: about that
afterschool programs- Care about
Shubh: that ...
Philippe: uh, um, ho- homelessness and, and access to housing- Care
Shubh: about that ...
Philippe: uh, and, uh, uh, food insecurity in Calgary.
Shubh: Eh. No, I care about that one too. It's, uh-
Philippe: They do all that stuff. Yeah. It's pretty cool.
Shubh: That's amazing. How are they doing all that?
Andrew: Yeah.
Philippe: Oh, the, I, I don't know.
They, like, train people.
Andrew: With events like my first rodeo.
Philippe: Yeah. Are they [00:54:00] doing that because of our first rodeo? Yeah. No, we're a splash in the bucket, but-
Shubh: Good for you, Trellis-
Philippe: Yeah, they're awesome ... Society. They're cool. They got, like, four hubs and, uh, in Calgary, plus, like, another, like, 10, um-
Shubh: Holy smokes ...
Philippe: like, um, halfway homes, as well as, like, actual affordable housing.
Andrew: Oh. Wow,
Shubh: okay.
Andrew: Busy team there.
Philippe: They used to be Boys & Girls Club, and then they merged with one who was doing more of the other stuff, and then they have a name that no one recognizes, but they are cool.
Andrew: Very cool.
Shubh: That's amazing. Um, now have you decided on the Stampede party using Andrew Brown's, uh, what did we call this tool?
Andrew: The future.
Philippe: The future. Just ability to cast into the future.
Shubh: I like it. I mean-
Philippe: Oh, yeah. It's a tool called the future.
Shubh: I'm gonna call it Ma- the Magic- That doesn't catch anything ... I'll let, uh, just if you're going with the product naming, just call it the Magic 16 Ball.
Andrew: As an extension of the-
Shubh: Yeah, yeah.
Andrew: Yeah.[00:55:00]
Yeah.
Philippe: The- That's actually what it is ...
Andrew: I mean-
Philippe: That's what collects the information,
Andrew: isn't it? You
Shubh: can personalize
Andrew: it. Yeah. It could be like My Future.
Shubh: Yeah.
Andrew: Stats. My Future and Stats.
Shubh: Man, you aren't good at naming.
Andrew: No, no, no. No. It's terrible. This is
Shubh: good to know.
Andrew: That's why, that's why I'm here.
Philippe: Although My Future- You got these great ideas
seems like a good product to like disrupt the horoscope industry.
Andrew: Exact- yeah. Like it's like a- Mm ... it's like a probability
Philippe: based horoscope.
Andrew: Mm. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Mm. Yeah.
Shubh: ... Do you guys, uh... Were you old enough that they would put the horoscope in the newspaper and you'd read it? I,
Andrew: I get the Saturday papers.
I get, I read the
Philippe: horoscopes. Are you old enough that's still, that's still a thing? Yeah.
Shubh: Well, I don't know. It's still a thing.
Philippe: Yeah. There used to be a guy at, uh, Ship & Anchor. He would always sit at the bar. His name was Roberto, but he got kicked out. But he would sit there with all the newspapers. Yeah, I
Andrew: hope he's not listening.
Philippe: And he was like a side character. Yeah. He, like in GTA, he'd be like a NPC or something, where you'd just go to him and you'd be like, "Roberto, what's my horoscope?" And he'd be like- And he'd just have a book ... "Oh, let me see." He looked like an old pirate, and then he would read you your, your horoscope. Yeah. He was quite the [00:56:00] character.
My,
Shubh: my, uh, my mom loved the horoscopes.
Andrew: Yeah.
Shubh: Yeah. She would be like, "Oh, here's what's gonna happen today."
Andrew: Well, I always... I, like I read them, and then I decide if I accept them or not. Like- Yeah ... which is the best part, 'cause like, like, ah, horoscopes are stupid. And mani- But if it's- ...
Shubh: manifest destiny ...
Andrew: if it sounds good and it's aligned with what's happening in your life at that time, you're like, "I knew it.
I knew it."
Philippe: Right.
Shubh: Oh, yeah. Yeah. Actually, that's something you're gonna have to check for is, uh, with the futures is bias.
Andrew: Bias?
Shubh: Yeah. 'Cause if
Andrew: you're- Well, it's not bias. It's pr- it's- If
Shubh: you're inputting everything ...
Andrew: it's, it's just data and stats
so it's gonna give you the, the, the truth.
Shubh: I don't like how it arrived at this conclusion that Philippe's not having a Tech Thursday stampede party.
Andrew: Yeah. Well, he hasn't, uh, decided yet.
Shubh: No, he hear- heard all our input, and he was like, "I got a lot of stuff going on."
Andrew: I mean, the one thing we didn't talk about for cons was, like, he's got a lot of stuff going on .
Shubh: Yeah. Right? So-
Andrew: Yeah, Tech
Shubh: Thursday has blown up a little bit.
Andrew: But that's something that only Phil would know.
Like, we didn't know that.
Shubh: I kinda knew. He talks about it all the time. I
Andrew: mean, I didn't know.
Shubh: He's so bogged down. Yeah, it's on... been on LinkedIn. He's like, "Oh [00:57:00] my God, look at how popular this has gotten." Shut up. And then every time I see him, he's like, "I got a lot of..." He's like James Caan in, uh, Elf. He's like, "I got a lot of stuff to do."
Philippe: What
Shubh: is that old saying? And, and, and- "
Philippe: I got a lot of stuff to do,
Shubh: Miles" "I'm gonna take my dinner in the office. I got a lot of stuff." And then the kid goes, "Mom, can I be done dinner? I could, uh... I g- I got a lot of homework to do." That was, that was Phil. Uh, yeah, no, Phil, uh, tell... it does sound like Tech Thursday's taken off a little bit.
Philippe: Yeah, it's been fun. Yeah, it's, uh, remar- amazing what Angelica can do.
Andrew: Th- think about how much faster it could grow.
Philippe: With the future.
Shubh: Ooh.
Andrew: W- well, no, the future's just gonna tell you- Well, if the future- ... like, what you should- ... tells us it won't grow- It's just, it's not even gonna tell you what to do ... we're probably gonna- It's just gonna be like, "Here's, here's what you need to know to make this decision."
Shubh: Mm.
Philippe: Right.
Andrew: Right? What it's telling you is this is gonna, you know, accelerate your growth trajectory with very minimal downside- Yeah ... except for Phil's time and-
Shubh: Energy and money ...
Andrew: and the slight, [00:58:00] uh, possibility
Shubh: of- Opportunity cost ...
Andrew: and the slight pos- possibility of it burning down.
Shubh: Or pancake-related mishaps.
Death and...
Andrew: yeah, yeah.
Shubh: Uh, anyway, I think you should... What if you just did a chilled out version?
Andrew: Yeah.
Philippe: That's kinda what I was thinking, of just like inviting some family, some friends into that office.
Shubh: You should invite some family too.
Philippe: Yeah. Yeah.
Shubh: I would love to chat with your dad.
Philippe: Yeah. I should invite-
Shubh: I'll be like, "What's- Why not?
it like, uh-" Hey, that's what STEM people are just called, dad ... "I mean, what's it like being Philippe's real dad instead of his, uh, adopted dad?"
Philippe: His podcast Instead of my podcast dad.
Andrew: I bet, yeah, you guys get along great, I think.
Shubh: I think I would get along with Philippe's dad.
Philippe: But he'd probably make a better host than me, to be honest.
Shubh: I, you
Philippe: believe- He's, he has nothing going on. He's just, he's retired now, so.
Shubh: Oh. You know, that was me a few months ago.
Philippe: I know.
Shubh: Now it's not.
Andrew: Yeah.
Shubh: I heard- I shoulda- I heard you're
Andrew: busy too.
Shubh: Uh, yeah, a little bit. I mean, when we're saying busy, I mean relative to, you know, chilling out.
Philippe: Andrew, you came in here and you looked at Shubh and you said, "You look tired."
Andrew: Yeah, I did. Well, he did, he did. Last time I saw him he was like, [00:59:00] "I can do anything." I mean- Right ... Shubh and I went through a, a, a transition period- Yeah ... you know, at similar times, and so we were both like, "The world's our oyster. We can do anything."
Yeah. And now we're both like, "Whoa."
Shubh: Yeah, he, uh- What
Andrew: have we done? ...
Shubh: entrepreneurship is, uh, it's fun.
Andrew: Yeah.
Philippe: It is a rollercoaster though, hey?
Andrew: Yeah.
Shubh: Yeah.
Andrew: Yeah. But-
Shubh: It's fun.
Andrew: Yeah.
Shubh: It is fun.
Andrew: It's, it's a blast. It's, there's nothing else I'd rather be doing.
Shubh: I mean, it's not as fun as just sitting around with your friends and doing a podcast.
Andrew: It's kinda like, it's type two fun.
Shubh: Explain
Andrew: Y- have you guys heard, you guys know this concept? I know what this is, yeah, yeah. No? So type, type one fun is just like, just fun, right? Like ha- you know, having a beer-
Philippe: It's like
Andrew: hedonism ... drinking the shit, having fun with friends. It's just, that's all
Philippe: Shubh does.
Andrew: Yeah, just like, it's just like pure, pure fun in its purest form. Right. Type two fun-
Philippe: Like, if he could, he would just hit a lever and pick all the-
Shubh: That is, that is what I
Philippe: am
Shubh: known for.
Andrew: You're always
Shubh: having fun. Famed
Andrew: hedonist. I feel like your life might a- actually might just be type one fun.
Shubh: Yeah. It was for a while, probably.
Andrew: Yeah.
Shubh: Yeah.
Andrew: Yeah. But type two fun is like, [01:00:00] it's like the work- Yeah ... to get to kind of an award. So it's like fu- like hiking, you know? Like, it's fun, but like, it's like there's a work component to it.
Philippe: I prefer it being described as, like, things that don't feel fun in the moment. You're like, "This fucking sucks."
Yeah, yeah. And then in hindsight you're like, "Oh, that's like the o- when you look back- The best ... two years, you're like, "Wait, that was the best moment." Yeah, yeah. And that's the only thing I remember, is this like totally arduous thing that in the moment really sucked, but-
Andrew: Yeah, you don't remember the pain, you just remember that it was joyous when you, i- in that moment, that you achieved whatever it is y- you were trying to achieve.
Right. So type two, yeah, like entrepreneurship is actually a great example of type two fun.
Philippe: You should try it sometime-
Andrew: Yeah ...
Philippe: Shubh.
Shubh: I don't think I know the difference between type two and type one, because I, I've- Oh, you're even. I'm always, I'm always having fun.
Andrew: You're even keel, yeah.
Shubh: Well, not that even keeled.
Andrew: Yeah.
Shubh: But, uh- You
Philippe: ever gone for a hike you don't like?
Shubh: When? Uh, all the fucking time. Do you, what
Andrew: do you remember
Shubh: about- You hang out with white people?
Philippe: All the
Shubh: fucking time. You ever hang out with a white person all day?
Andrew: Only when
Shubh: I hike. You go for three hikes. On- [01:01:00]
Andrew: only when I
Shubh: hike. "Shubh, you wanna go for another hike?"
"Goddamn." And then they're pitching you their climate controlled body suit the whole time.
Andrew: Can you imagine that for a hike?
Shubh: Yeah. Uh, well, I guess.
Andrew: That's a perfect-
Shubh: Uh, yeah, I like fun. But, uh, I like, uh, the work, the, uh, yeah, um, the work is the fun.
Andrew: Yeah, yeah. But sometimes, like, it's grindy, right? Like, you're like, "Oh, God."
Shubh: No, when I don't like something, it's not fun. Yeah. And it never looks fun in retrospect. And I'll give you some examples, and their names. Here's people I worked with that I do not think are fun. Uh, how much time do we have?
Philippe: You almost baited me. I wanted to share. I
Shubh: wanted to share names so badly. We'll kill an hour. I've only got one.
Andrew: Ooh.
Shubh: I've only got one, and it's a secret.
Philippe: I've got one
Shubh: too. How many people would you never work again with?
Well, I mean, that's a loaded question- ... 'cause there's lots of people I wouldn't work with again, not because I don't think they're good people. I just, you know, I wouldn't go out of my way to work with them again, right?
Andrew: [01:02:00] Right.
Shubh: It's only a couple people I'd actively-
Andrew: Yeah ...
Shubh: like, if they were like, "I was working on this thing."
Pick up the phone. If they were like, "I was doing a fun podcast, Shubh, we need you as co-host," I would say no.
Andrew: Yeah.
Shubh: Yeah. '
Andrew: Cause that wouldn't be fun. That wouldn't
Shubh: be fun at all. It's only a couple people. Yeah.
Andrew: Yeah. Yeah.
Shubh: And, uh- If you would just say- We'll get into names on episode 53.
Philippe: I'm down. I'm
Shubh: down. If your business is on the line.
If
Philippe: we make it past a year, I am name-dropping everyone I don't
Shubh: like. No, I think we're, at episode, we're, we're gonna pivot to-
Philippe: Oh, I got two, actually.
Andrew: Two names?
Philippe: Two names. I just realized.
Andrew: People you'd never, never wanna work
Shubh: with
Philippe: again? Who would it be? Would it be fun- I think they're evil people ... if we
Shubh: just- Yeah, that's the thing.
My people are just, I think, are genuinely terrible people.
Philippe: Yeah. They're, they're, um, motivated by wrong things.
Shubh: Yeah.
Philippe: That I've worked with, that I've worked with. I
Shubh: mean, that is helpful. Yeah. The, the only people I would put on that list are people who are motivated by doing uh, harm to others.
Andrew: Yeah. Like narcissists.
Yeah.
Shubh: Yeah. Yeah. And I'm- listen, I got a little narcissism- ... on this show.
Andrew: But, like, full spectrum-
Shubh: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah ... [01:03:00] yeah.
Andrew: Yeah,
Shubh: you- But like, there's, it's rooted in evil ... you gotta, uh- Yeah. Yeah ... yeah, uh, it's a confident narcissists, uh, are okay. It's, uh, insecure narcissists, those are the ones you gotta watch out for.
Andrew: Gotta be really careful.
Shubh: Yeah, big time. Oof. And, uh, if it doesn't work out for them, they become president. Heyo. Uh, anyway.
Philippe: That's right.
Shubh: We could just do another 20 minutes on just narcissism. I could
Philippe: do, uh, yeah- Phil- Phil just got- ... another 20
Andrew: minutes
Philippe: on narcissism.
Shubh: Phil got- Phil
Andrew: got really sad.
Shubh: Yeah, Phil- He's
Andrew: like, "Wait a second, I have two," and then he looked at the ground.
Shubh: Yeah.
Philippe: Well, that, 'cause I got two, like, work life, and then I got- You gotta be careful ... I got, like, at least two, uh-
Shubh: Yeah, your career's not as long as, as mine, so people are gonna be able to piece it together for you It all comes- Yeah.
Andrew: It all comes back around. Yeah. Yeah.
Philippe: Yeah.
Andrew: Not that you have to work with, you know, the same people, but.
Philippe: Right. I hope that one person knows that they made me cry.
Andrew: Mm-hmm.
Shubh: Whoa.
Andrew: Talk about vulnerable.
Shubh: I made you cry?
Philippe: I have-
Shubh: With joy.
Philippe: I've cried, I've cried, like, once in the last five years, and that was it. Yeah.
Shubh: I think you've had tears of joy on this podcast, though.
Philippe: No.
Shubh: You squeezed- your eyes watered a little when you were laughing [01:04:00] so hard.
Andrew: It's not true, Dad. I think
Shubh: when, I think when Dan pitched the pierogi idea, you might have laughed so hard there were some tears.
Philippe: That's true.
Andrew: All right. That was a good idea. That one w- that one
Shubh: was good. That was a good idea. Well, Andrew, it was nice to see you. Uh, we, we forget w- you, me, and Phil used to have regular touchpoints when, uh, you and I were-
Andrew: Yeah
Shubh: quitting, and Phil was re- re-energizing himself for his business run- Yeah ... which he's now successfully executed.
Andrew: I thought I was gonna get the call for guest host, and then, and then I heard the second episode was with Phil.
Shubh: Yeah. You know, the interesting thing- So disappointed ... about that is we never actually did have that discussion.
Andrew: No.
Shubh: Philippe and I. We just, uh, it was organic.
Andrew: Oh,
Shubh: it's still ha- I think if I had- ... still happening. I think if I'd had asked him point-blank, he would've said no.
Andrew: Yeah.
Shubh: I think if even now if I asked him like, if I was like, "Hey, Philippe, I need you to co-host this episode," he would say no.
Andrew: Right.
Shubh: But, uh, because I'm not allowing him the opportunity to-
Andrew: Yeah, he's just here-
Shubh: opt out ...
Andrew: in, in the room.
Philippe: Yeah, I, I think I just said, "Yeah." I just have no choice. I have... Yeah, when it's in my calendar, I have to show up.
Shubh: Yeah, yeah. What's he gonna do? It's down the hall.
Andrew: Yeah. [01:05:00] Yeah, I mean, he-
Shubh: Right? ...
Andrew: he has nowhere else to go.
Shubh: I would see him every time.
Andrew: Yeah, yeah. Well, and he probably, like, if he had the- Oh
the future tool-
Shubh: Yeah.
Andrew: You know, like, I just- If- ... have to do this- Yeah ... even if I don't
Shubh: want to. When we were sitting around and he was like, "Why don't you just do this podcast?" But you
Andrew: guys are
Shubh: like- I was like, "Well, they'd do it if you do it" ...
Andrew: you guys are, like, to- like, what are you, like, listening... How, how many downloads?
Like, thousands?
Shubh: Over time? Yeah. Yeah. L- I, that sounds very bizarre to say, but yes.
Andrew: Wow.
Shubh: Many, many thousands.
Andrew: Now
Shubh: I'm- Like, almost tens of
Andrew: thousands ... re- regretting my pitches now.
Shubh: Right? Should probably
Andrew: make a-
Shubh: But I mean, that's in Agar. We got a lot of episodes That's right.
Andrew: You're gonna have to listen.
Philippe: Oh, don't worry, no one's gonna listen.
Andrew: No one's gonna listen. Don't be so worried.
Shubh: Uh, s- uh, well, anybody who doesn't listen will not get their tickets to our first rodeo.
Andrew: Or- '
Shubh: Cause they're selling fast ...
Andrew: Tech Thursday's stampede-
Philippe: Event ... Yeah, we really shouldn't have said we're gonna do a, a cute little private stampede event. You know, now everyone's- Yeah, now
Andrew: everyone, no one's invited.
Philippe: Yeah, that's right. Gonna be barking up the tree. "Oh, can I come to the office?"
Andrew: [01:06:00] You're gonna send them to a website that's gonna be like, uh, approval needed.
Philippe: Yeah. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, I think I'm- I love the sites
Shubh: I think that's a good website. That's how you build, that's how you
Andrew: build
Shubh: hype. That's how you build hype.
Uh, I think it's okay that you don't invite everybody.
Andrew: Yeah.
Shubh: Especially those two people you were talking about.
Philippe: Especially the three people
Shubh: who said they missed five meetings. I'm definitely not forwarding it to the one person I was talking about.
Andrew: Yeah, we all got people on the block list.
Shubh: Who do you got?
How many people you got?
Andrew: I mean, like, uh, a couple. Like, probably two.
Shubh: Yeah.
Andrew: Two or three. Yeah.
Shubh: You know, they never- Something like that ... ask you that question. They're always like, "Uh, name some people when you work at a place who une- like, unequivocally you would work with again, no questions asked." No one ever asks you- Oh, yeah
who would you never work ag- with again?
Andrew: Yeah. But, like, those people, so those people, uh, maybe not for you, Phil, 'cause they made you cry. What do you mean- But,
Shubh: like- ... those people?
Andrew: Y- uh, people that you would never work with again. Yeah. Like, w- are you... Like, what would happen if you walked to, down the street and saw them?
Would it be like, "Oh, hello"?
Shubh: Nope.
Andrew: No, just nope. Not
Shubh: if we're old chubby.
Andrew: Yeah.
Shubh: I'm pretty... I don't, I'm not a grudge guy. I don't- Yeah ... I don't have that. Like, if I don't like you, I'll still set and shot, set- That's
Andrew: what I mean. So, like-
Shubh: But the, you, [01:07:00] there, there's a- It's admirable ... there's an N of one or two where I would go, "Nope."
Andrew: No, absolutely not.
Shubh: Won't even look at you.
Andrew: Yeah. Yeah. And Phil would .
Philippe: I'm like, yeah, I'm trying to think of-
Andrew: What would I do?
Shubh: Well, I mean, if the person made him cry, he'd probably just run. I
Philippe: would, I would like, yeah, I would like give them space or-
Shubh: Just put your, put your hood up.
Just turn around. They couldn't see you. Yeah. Would you do the old you know you made eye con- like you know you recognize them, but you're gonna try to make it look like you didn't recognize them, and you just keep... You pretend you're looking at something on the other side of the street? That's what I would do.
Philippe: I do that all the time.
Shubh: All the time. You know what I do though? You know what? It's not that I don't like them- I
Philippe: did that, like, literally on Sunday ...
Shubh: at the gym, when I see people at the gym that I kinda know, uh, but I don't like to talk to people at the gym. Yeah. That's the only place I don't like talk to people.
Yeah. So I will, like, kinda look on the other side of the track and just be like, "Yeah, I'm good."
Andrew: I'm here to do my thing, yeah.
Shubh: Um, except if when I run into my buddy Riz at the gym, because, uh, he's cool.
Philippe: Riz is the
Andrew: coolest
Philippe: name.
Shubh: Is it the coolest name? Hey, there's... Go to sponsor in the pod.
Philippe: Really?
Shubh: Yeah, I'll get you more details.
Philippe: Huh. What's Riz [01:08:00] like? He's
Shubh: a great, great guy.
Philippe: Yeah, great guy.
Shubh: Yeah, super nice guy.
Andrew: How could, how could he not be? With
Philippe: a name like Riz. And an
Shubh: incredible name. And he had that name before it was cool.
Philippe: Should we wrap up this podcast?
Shubh: We should've wrapped up 15 minutes ago.
Andrew: Well, I just... A word of advice for Phil.
Okay. Like, when you see those people walking down the street- Yeah ... you know, the ultimate revenge is, "Oh, what was your name again?"
Shubh: Ooh.
Andrew: Just keep that in your back pocket. That's really
Philippe: good. I love it. I thought you were gonna say happiness, happiness
Shubh: is the ultimate revenge. And that's great for you, unless they know that you are really chronically bad with remembering people's
Philippe: names. Yeah. This actually, this is not for the podcast, but I...
Shubh: Wait, hold on a sec. Let me wrap the podcast up. Uh, Andrew Brown, much overdue, thank you very much for joining us. That
Andrew: was a lot of fun.
Shubh: Episode 25.
Andrew: I'll be back for episode 50.
Shubh: Your business on- You, you're welcome back for episode 50. Thanks. I wanna see a working prototype of the, the clima layer. Clima layer?
Andrew: You guys will... Yeah, it'll be finalized when you put the wor- description together for the, [01:09:00] the-
Shubh: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I'll make it up at the last minute. That feels like... Did we really call it that? I'm like, listen- S- Saturday night at 2:00 in the morning, I gotta get this thing wrapped by 8:00, 8:00 AM. It needs a name.
Andrew: Hey, there were no salsas for the future.
Philippe: Yeah, we don't need any.
Shubh: Let me tell you something about your future. It, you prefer- It doesn't have a lot of salsas in
Andrew: it ... you prefer if we didn't give you any.
Shubh: I am gonna give it- That's what I've determined. I'm gonna, I'm gonna give it 50 salsas, not because I love the idea- Nice ... because I thought it, it came up with a great bit.
Andrew: Yeah.
Shubh: Where if we have to workshop a, a business decision for Phil.
Andrew: I like that too.
Philippe: Okay.
Shubh: Which, I mean, he just ex- But Phil- ... readily ignored our advice ...
Andrew: and the, and then Phil gave it a zero because he didn't, he didn't like the bit.
Philippe: Yeah, exactly.
Shubh: Yeah, that's true. Andrew, thanks, buddy. Don't spill anything on yourself on the way out.
Andrew: No guarantees.
Philippe: Thanks for coming, Andrew. Thanks,
Shubh: guys. That's a wrap. I'm trying to say that at the end of every episode. Oh, now I gotta say it again. That's a wrap.