YBIOTL Episode 4 Publish V2
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Shubh: [00:00:00] Welcome to episode four of Your Business Is On the Line, one of the top 100 entrepreneurship podcasts in all of Canada. That's real. And continuing to be the number one business comedy podcast in Canada. Not as real. Is that gonna hold up after this episode? Well, that depends on you. Follow, like, share, tell all your friends, families, coworkers, people on the street enemies.
We, uh, we want to stay on the charts. We need to stay on these charts. Ah, that sounded desperate.
Philippe: This is a Thursday Media production.
Shubh: Hi everyone. Welcome to episode four, episode four of Your Businesses online. Philip. Burns Tech Thursday, guest host.
Philippe: Guest host is back,
Shubh: I think co-host now maybe, what do we say? [00:01:00] Six? You gotta get to six.
Philippe: You gotta get to, yeah, you gotta get to six. Uh, it's great to still be here. I'm glad I I keep earning my keep.
Shubh: Well, the thing is, we have only pilot release the first episode. So right now we haven't got enough negative feedback to justify letting you go.
Philippe: That's right.
Shubh: Yeah. So just wait a week. Wait a few
Philippe: days you tried to let me go and I fought tooth and nail. That's the exact argument I made. I was like, well, you don't know people don't like me yet.
Shubh: We don't have any feedback from the market, so how can you fire me?
Philippe: Exactly.
Shubh: And I was like, yeah, that's a good point.
Philippe: And then I also, I, I handcuffed myself to the radiator and I said, I'm not leaving until I get to record at least three more episodes.
Shubh: Uh, I didn't even think we'd get to this point, so this is a real victory.
I thought we'd record one, and then I'd record two, and then I'd be like, yeah, this is too much work.
Philippe: Yeah.
Shubh: So four. Four feels like, uh, now you have to keep going.
Philippe: That's right.
Shubh: What's, uh, what's been going on?
Philippe: What's been going on? I got phished today, you know, like cyber attacks.
Shubh: Oh,
Philippe: [00:02:00] okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Shubh: What do you mean?
Philippe: What do I mean? I mean, uh, uh, one of our venues for Tech Thursday.
Shubh: Yeah.
Philippe: I get an email.
Shubh: Yeah.
Philippe: The right email. Same email.
Shubh: Yeah.
Philippe: And it's like, hey, uh, by the way, here's a link to our invoice. Yeah. You know, and so I click the link and then I'm going, this is pretty fishy. Like, why would it take me here? Uh, and so I, and this is like two hours after I got it, so I emailed them back, Hey, it's kind of a strange link.
Did you mean to send me this? And then they go, yep, me just emails me back. Yep. Me just send you this. There might be some authentication required. And so I went in there and I signed into my Google account. Oh yeah. And it, but it was like pushing to my, it was two factor authenticating to my phone.
Shubh: Yeah.
Yeah.
Philippe: So like, somehow they had like actually done it proper. Um, but got my password. So I changed my password everywhere and like immediately, because then I called her, I was like, yo, there's still no document. And she's like, I got hacked like this morning. Oh
Shubh: yeah.
Philippe: And um, so I changed all my documents or all my passwords, but That's crazy.
Huh?
Shubh: So it came from [00:03:00] the person's email wasn't even like from a fake email. 'cause she got compromised. Yes.
Philippe: Yeah, exactly. Oh boy. She got compromised.
Shubh: That's pretty tough though.
Philippe: Isn't that crazy?
Shubh: Oh. How are you
Philippe: feeling? I, got got How am I feeling? I'm feeling, uh,
Shubh: are you, is it like kind of on your mind that like, you know,
Philippe: well, I think I did everything.
Yeah. You're supposed to do like, change all your passwords
Shubh: immediately. Yeah.
Philippe: I guess I'm still a little nervous.
Shubh: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I know that feeling. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Now I'm a little nervous, but I'm like, well, did they get my email? No, I'm just kidding. I'm kidding. I think you'll be fine. Yeah. But that really sucks for the people on the venue side.
'cause I'm sure they had people
Philippe: Yeah.
Shubh: Go through and probably clicker and pay.
Philippe: But Yeah, I don't understand how they like successfully got me like it, it said like, open your Gmail account onto your phone. Yeah. And like click the right button. And I did that.
Shubh: The two factor probably came from Google. I don't think they would've got your password.
And, sorry, this is for the audience out there. This is like a, if we had any technology people, we know it only surrounded by them constantly.
Philippe: Right. [00:04:00]
Shubh: I think if you OAuth, I'm using terms like OAuth. If you OAuth with Google it, Google doesn't pass along your password and info to the, to the vendor.
Philippe: Yeah.
There's no way.
Shubh: Yeah, no. Your password would've been entered with Google, assuming it was a Google. Yeah, it was actually using Google. Authentication.
Philippe: Yeah, it was actually using Google authentication.
Shubh: Yeah. Yeah.
Philippe: But yeah. Okay, cool. Now thanks. Now my palms are getting
Shubh: sweaty
Philippe: Yeah.
Shubh: Yeah. Less sweaty
Philippe: Well, no more sweaty as I'm thinking about it more.
'cause I'm going, but like then my phone was like, did you mean to sign in from California? And I was like, yep.
So fuck me. There's
Shubh: a lesson in cybersecurity here, folks. Um, but uh, I think you'll be okay.
Philippe: Yeah.
Shubh: You changed all your passwords immediately.
Philippe: Yeah.
Shubh: They were just trying to get your, uh, they were trying to get access to some data, but probably trying to get you to make a payment.
Philippe: Yeah. Okay. That makes me feel better.
Shubh: Well, that was a big [00:05:00] side. Uh, I'm totally rattled now. I had a whole bunch of stuff I was gonna tell you about, but now it's like,
Philippe: yeah, that happened to me this morning. Um, a question for you though, we are gonna do, we're gonna add a Thursday media jingle to the start of this podcast, and so I was curious if maybe we could use the mouth trumpet to come up with something like,
Shubh: so do you have an idea for the Thursday media jingle?
Philippe: I was just kind of thing like, this is a Thursday Media podcast.
Shubh: Yeah. I don't love that. Uh, you, I think it's gonna be like Thursday Media, like something like, you know, what's Phil's and th Tech Thursday's vibe?
Philippe: It, it's, it's, it's lighthearted and cool, but for serious people.
Shubh: Yeah. So this is what you did.
Thomas: This is a Thursday media production
Shubh: that does, that doesn't sound lighthearted
Philippe: or
Shubh: cool. It sounds a little murdery.
Philippe: Okay. I'm gonna go in, but you come in with some mouth trumpet. This is a Thursday Media podcast. I don't You were supposed to come in halfway through. I
Shubh: halfway through.
Philippe: Well, I thought it was gonna be like crescendo.[00:06:00]
Shubh: I think like, uh, I'm trying to think about what were the news jingles, you know, like, um, because it was like 20th century Fox had a nice jingle. Yeah, right. Um, I don't even know. Thursday media is tough. No, no. What if I News
Philippe: Thursday Media?
Shubh: We,
Philippe: it was perfect. It was perfect. Did we got, we got it recorded? Yeah.
Shubh: I don't even know if we're recording.
Philippe: Okay. Well gimme one more, try one more thing
there. Podcast.
Shubh: Sound a bit like Taps. I love it. Yeah. Do you guys said Thursday Media Podcasts, you, you want it to be like, this is a Thursday media pod, because you want to be able to use this for all of your media.
Philippe: Yeah, that's right. Not just this.
Shubh: Right, so you have to say, this is a Thursday media production. [00:07:00]
Philippe: Oh, okay.
Shubh: Yeah, yeah. Okay. Go.
Philippe: This is a Thursday media production.
I'd like to. That's good.
Shubh: Yeah. Yeah. I think we'll, we'll, I'll cut that. Yeah. I'll send it to you.
Philippe: Boom.
Shubh: And, uh, regardless of how you feel about it, I'm gonna, we're gonna use it. Okay. Yeah. Because you don't have access to the edit, right?
Philippe: Yeah, that's right. I know what our value add is, to be honest. Like, I don't know why you're letting us have a jingle, like you're doing all the work.
Shubh: I, 'cause I think it's. Objectively hilarious to have a jingle. I had a whole list of banter topics. I think we covered 'em all. Um, great. We just, well, you don't even need to cover 'em because you're,
Philippe: because my, my company's under attack. You're a
Shubh: little traumatized. You're in here chitchatting on a podcast.
Meanwhile, someone's trying to mine all of, there's all, they're all, all they're finding is stored audio files of test jingles Thursday Media. Yeah.
Philippe: To the end there. Then they go, we got it. There's gonna [00:08:00] be some money in this account. But no, it's just
Shubh: pitch of like all these different like organizations and he connecting all these people and his entire Mac is just full of What if all of my brands had a jingle check?
Like Tech Thursday would have like a techno like Tech Thursday.
Philippe: Yeah, that's
Shubh: right.
Philippe: Right. Tech Thursday, boom. And it'll be two minutes long.
Shubh: People would be waiting for the drop, but there'll be no drop.
Philippe: No drop. Yeah.
Shubh: And then, uh, Thursday media would just be like, Thursday maybe. Yeah. Better.
Philippe: Uh, and then it just, yeah.
Keep going. Like your businesses online, there's a lot of files for your businesses online.
Shubh: Did I tell you I had to clear memory off of my laptop because of all the audio recordings?
Philippe: No way.
Shubh: Because I keep having to, 'cause as you know, since we don't know what we're doing, we keep screwing up the recording.
So I've become effectively. A professional AI powered sound engineer.
Philippe: Yeah. We're, we have no idea what we're doing. This is our 200th podcast that we've recorded. It's like this [00:09:00] one. This one, I hope to God makes it to AI
Shubh: totally recorded, but I've had to, I've had to re I've had to, reau wise, that's a ble the right term.
Yeah. Uh, 40 times. Yeah.
Philippe: That's really when I thought you were gonna give up, by the way. Like, I, I know you're impressed that we made it to four, but I, in the intro, in between when you were struggling, I was like, this is where I would give up. So I would assume shove is gonna give up. I,
Shubh: um, have what I believe is a sickness, whereas when something is not working properly
Philippe: Yeah.
Shubh: I feel compelled to make it work.
Philippe: Yeah.
Shubh: Yeah. Which is why I think I, that's why people walk me. If they're startups, it's not working. We should just give up. I'm like, or, or. Completely abandon every other facet of your life and dedicate 180% of your time to this.
Philippe: Yeah. Yeah.
Shubh: They're like, oh yeah, that's another alternative.
So
Philippe: this is gonna be, this is gonna be, um, again, [00:10:00] like you said, you've gotten mad at me for this in the past because I'm contextualizing the, the show. But tomorrow you're gonna be pitching the show at the Tech Thursday holiday party.
Shubh: Right.
Philippe: Tomorrow. Record time tomorrow. Not you listening to this tomorrow.
Yeah.
Shubh: So this will in the
Philippe: past, this is like three weeks ago when you're listening
Shubh: to this. Yeah.
Philippe: How
Shubh: you think better you're learning. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Philippe: How do you feel about pitching this in front of a live audience tomorrow?
Shubh: Um, well, the first thing you probably know a little bit about me, but not maybe enough, is I'll pitch anything in front of a live audience anytime.
Like when you were like, Hey, do you want to pitch this to the, the crew at the Tech Thursday party? I was like, yes. I couldn't type Yes. Fast enough. I didn't even care. You, you could ask me to pitch any,
Philippe: right.
Shubh: You could been like, Hey, could you pitch like a
Philippe: Yeah.
Shubh: Something.
Philippe: Can you, can you do a cybersecurity session?
Yeah. Yeah. For who's coming? Sure.
Shubh: Uh, you put me, you give me an audience.
Philippe: Mm-hmm.
Shubh: An audience in the room.
Philippe: And then by the way, I gave you the audience and then you immediately asked for the better time [00:11:00] slot.
Shubh: I did. I was like, I wa first I was like, how much time do I have? What time slot do I have? Um,
Philippe: and then it was a year first, and you're like, can I be, can I close the show?
I
was
Shubh: like, no. One of my, my buddies know this about me. I MCed one of my friends' weddings in Red Deer in 2007. Okay.
Philippe: Oh, you, you'd have shined
Shubh: middle of Christmas. I was not in the wedding party with the groomsmen and the bridesmaids. I was just the mc. Their limo got stuck in a snowbank. I had to do 40 minutes of open mic.
And Philip, it was the greatest thing. It was the greatest. I was doing bits, I was like, anybody here from Australia?
Let's name things from, I did five minutes on naming things from Australia. It was, uh, so yes.
Philippe: Do you guys wanna hear the mouth trumpet?
Shubh: Yeah, I would do it in a heartbeat. So to answer your question, how I feel about it. Um, I feel great about it. Yeah, I think it's fun. Um, how do you, you have any suggestions on how I should, uh, you're serious.
Funny. What do you want from each forum? [00:12:00] I think, what do you want from me? Three months ago?
Philippe: Yeah.
Shubh: Three weeks ago. Sorry.
Philippe: Three weeks ago. Yeah, that's right. We've recorded. Yeah. Yeah. This is the 80th episode. You'll be hearing this in 2027. Philip
Shubh: started, he was in his twenties. He's now 52 years old.
Philippe: Um, any advice?
Um. I think just have fun with it. Yeah, for sure. Like, yeah, it's gonna be, it's a, it's a holiday party, so hopefully everyone's having a great time.
Shubh: Yeah.
Philippe: And receptive.
Shubh: Yeah.
Philippe: So I
Shubh: feel like it's gonna be like a wedding crowd. Right. Then I'll get up and then what if I'm, I'm anticipating the crowd not being like,
Philippe: get off stage.
Nobody gives a shit about your podcast. No. Yeah. I think, I think regardless if they think it's a good idea or not, they're Yeah, they're,
Shubh: it, yeah.
Philippe: They're, they're going to make it seem like,
Shubh: I'm thinking about giving them homework in the room. Like I'm gonna make everybody follow the podcast in the room.
Philippe: I think that's great.
Shubh: Right?
Philippe: Yeah.
Shubh: And they'll be, and they'll be like, uh, and then what I'm gonna say is it's a condition of your entry into the next [00:13:00] Thursday Tech Thursday event. You'll have to show on your phone that you're following the podcast.
Philippe: Right.
Shubh: That's a pretty good idea.
Philippe: That's a great idea. Yeah.
Shubh: Yeah.
Philippe: Um, I mean, I'm not gonna enforce that.
Shubh: Yeah.
Philippe: You could just like, we'll have
Shubh: to hire somebody. I mean, it's gonna be very, very expensive.
Philippe: You'll just be like outside in a trench coat.
Shubh: Yeah.
Philippe: Not relevant to the event at all. Did you download. Did you down now, did you like and subscribe and, uh, yeah, everyone will say no, just walk away. But
Shubh: I'll be like, this feels like a cybersecurity
Philippe: attack.
Yeah, exactly.
Shubh: Click on this link to my invoice.
Philippe: Okay.
Shubh: Uh,
Philippe: what's your Gmail password? Uh, yeah. Yeah. Today's not been a great day. She, uh, but, uh, yeah, the longer, Hey,
Shubh: it's turn it, it's, turn it around.
Philippe: The longer it's like Schrodinger's cat. The longer we're recording this podcast, the longer I don't know if all my information is gone.
So I like this. Isn't it
Shubh: better that you're in this room and you don't know? [00:14:00]
Philippe: Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.
Shubh: The moment you step out of the world, you've gotta deal with real life. You know what I'm saying?
Philippe: Right, exactly. You have to deal with that. Yeah.
Shubh: Within the confines of this enormously hot room. Sorry. Enormously hot.
Is that the right way to say it?
Philippe: Incredibly, yeah. In this room, there are no cybersecurity issues currently.
Shubh: Um, okay, now I know what I gotta talk about tomorrow. Um, today we do have Thomas Atch and Erica Woods coming in. They worked with me before. We used to sit around all the time and pitch ideas to each other.
So I feel like they're gonna come with both volume and quality. Fun fact, I helped hire them both. It's evening, so, you know,
Philippe: boom.
Shubh: They owe me. That's the only reason they're coming on.
Philippe: Yeah.
Shubh: Like after this, we're square, right? Shub. We got jobs. You got a podcast appearance. We're even, I'll be like, we haven't even started again.
Philippe: Yeah.
Shubh: First of all, you gotta following. You gotta follow the podcast. Yeah.
Philippe: Like, and follow.
Shubh: You can't, you can't get anywhere. Uh, and
Philippe: you have to review five stars.
Shubh: Yeah. You know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna, [00:15:00] actually, this is even a better idea. After I do the presentation, I'm gonna go stand at the bar.
Chaz: Yeah.
Shubh: Tomorrow. And when people go to order the bar from the bartender, I'm gonna be like, Hey man, just so you know, before you're actually allowed to serve. They have to demonstrate proof of following this podcast. I was like, Hey, that's not me. That's Philip. It's like, just don't ask him about it. He's very sensitive about it.
And the bartender will be like, I, I guess.
Philippe: Yeah.
Shubh: Okay. If that's what I gotta do.
Philippe: It's free drinks. We are giving a drink ticket to everyone. So you could say it's
Shubh: not free.
Philippe: It's not free.
Shubh: Yeah.
Philippe: It's five stars. Yeah. On this podcast you haven't listened to yet.
Shubh: Yeah. Follow rate.
Philippe: Yeah.
Shubh: Oh yeah. You can't rate, it doesn't let you rate it until you listen.
Philippe: Oh, for real.
Shubh: So we just need to follow.
Philippe: Okay.
Shubh: That's pretty simple. All right,
Chaz: let's give the
Shubh: episode. Okay. Well, let's go get our guests. We'll be right back. Welcome back. Does that sound professional when I say welcome? Yeah, it's so, yeah. Let's do it. Sounds really good.
Thomas: Let's do it.
Shubh: Um, hi everybody. Uh, Philip and I are back.
You've heard a couple of voices in the room again. Um, I would like to [00:16:00] introduce two people that I know. I would say incredibly well, whoa. Super. Well, no, I, um, Erica, uh, and Thomas from ZayZoon. I'm gonna let each of you introduce yourselves. Introduce yourself, how you got to know me, and then, uh, we will, we'll get into, we'll get into it.
Thomas: Go ahead
Erica: ladies first.
Thomas: Absolutely.
Erica: Okay. I shall, yeah. My name's Erica Woods.
Shubh: Hold on a second. These radio voices that you two are using right now, that's so fake. My goodness.
Thomas: We're trying,
Shubh: uh, hello. We're trying our best. I'm going to lean into the microphone and use this voice.
Erica: We have never done this before.
Yeah.
Shubh: Okay. Go.
Erica: Yeah. Okay. So I'm Erica Woods. Yeah, I've been with ZayZoon for three years now, be three years in April. I am the senior client account manager, so I manage the relationships with the clients that offer the benefit to their employees. Uh, I met you because I made a New Year's resolution to come into the office more.
Oh, wow. And yeah, initially I was very [00:17:00] like. Scared to sho. I was like, oh, who's that guy that sits over there is like, tells people exactly his opinions. And I was like, I'm gonna, I'm actually gonna befriend this guy.
Shubh: Yeah, that's, that is true. But I'm gonna correct you in a second here. Tell Tom Thomas you go ahead.
Thomas: Yeah. Uh, Thomas Atch, I work on the finance team at ZayZoon. Um, I met you, I guess it would've been almost exactly just over two years ago. We met in a coffee shop in, uh, Aspen.
Shubh: So,
Philippe: in Aspen? In Aspen. The community in Calgary or, or the city
Shubh: on the ski. He picked me up in the jet. We met down there. Yeah. Um, okay.
So what these two have not articulated correctly is that, um, I was participatory in interviewing and hiring both of them.
Philippe: Oh, wow.
Erica: Yes.
Shubh: Right. So that being said, I, I would say the trajectory of both your lives changed because of that interview process. And it's not 10% as important as this discussion right.
Today.
Philippe: Right. Sha seems to think that everyone. That used to work with him, thinks that he's like Michael [00:18:00] Jordan.
Shubh: Yeah. Oh, thanks then. But Michael Jordan, not from a talent perspective. Just from being a, just a jerk. Yeah. Yeah. Um, and you both also have entrepreneurial bits a little bit. Can you talk Thomas first about that you have helped run businesses, start businesses, you've done a few things like that with your other non zazen job.
Yes.
Thomas: Yeah, yeah, for sure. I, um, started actually in the golf industry for a while, uh, running a business with family, which was a, a really cool experience. And then actually, how I know Phil is through the entrepreneurial ecosystem here in Calgary. Um, like doing some small investments in certain companies and just being involved in that whole ecosystem, which has been a blast.
Philippe: Not an investment in my company though, just to be clear.
Thomas: No,
Shubh: well, not yet.
Thomas: Hey,
Shubh: wait 30 minutes, um,
Philippe: into Pip's lips.
Shubh: Uh, Erica, everybody
Philippe: tell us you're gonna want to hear about Pip's lips. I, I need to hear it.
Shubh: Uh, the Erica, you are one of the few people I know whose business is actually interesting. Can you talk about the side business and the side hustle that you [00:19:00] run it?
Let's just say it's got a lot of balloons in it.
Erica: Oh gosh. It full of hot air. No, just kidding.
Shubh: That's better. That's better.
Erica: So, yeah, I, I got really into making balloon arches and
Shubh: yeah.
Erica: I
Shubh: just like, legitimately like, yes. Continue.
Erica: I love it. Um, I am mainly because I think balloons create this unsolicited response from anyone, regardless of age or gender.
It's just like. Joy. Yeah.
Shubh: Yeah.
Erica: As soon as you see a balloon, that's, uh, which is, which is silly, but that's why I like it. So I've done a number of corporate events. Birthdays mostly. Mostly birthdays, but like big balloon arches. Right. Um, and I got into it maybe two years ago, and I just do it from my house, which my husband's like.
Happy to support, but when there's balloons all over the living room and you can't get from one room to the kitchen. Yeah, it's,
Shubh: it's like your house is like up.
Erica: Yeah, it is. [00:20:00]
Shubh: Uh, I don't wanna, it's quite silly. I, the, the purpose of this is not necessarily to pitch people's other businesses. Yeah. But Well, I'm just saying you throw a lot of events.
Philippe: Yeah.
Shubh: I've been to a bunch of events. I've never once walked through a balloon arch.
Philippe: That's true.
Shubh: And so I've never had that joyous, like, oh my God, there are balloons here. And maybe,
Philippe: yeah. I, I've hosted one event one time where we had a balloon arch.
Shubh: Oh, who'd you use? Some, some two bit operation. Wasn't
Philippe: it, wasn't you?
I don't think,
Shubh: sorry. Whoever's out there who did the balloons, I'm sure you did. The fabulous They blew Sure
Philippe: was. I'm sure they
Thomas: blew.
Shubh: Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Philippe: Yeah.
Shubh: They were very good balloon
Erica: puns all day.
Philippe: But I feel like, uh, we paid an arm and a leg, if I'm not mistaken, on the blue. Not, not a bad business to be in.
Erica: Not a bad business to be
Shubh: in.
Philippe: Everyone, everyone wants everyone we got for the blue night.
Shubh: Where does the air come from? You got a little
Erica: machine.
Shubh: Machine.
Philippe: It's a trade secret.
Shubh: Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, there was a blowing joke in there, but because it's a professional outfit, I'm not gonna make it.
Philippe: Right.
Erica: That's also, yeah.
I was like, oh, I don't,
Shubh: yeah, yeah, [00:21:00] yeah. It's not that professional.
Erica: All right.
Philippe: Right. It's like the anti AI movements. It's like the anti air machine movement where she just like,
Shubh: she just,
Philippe: these are on end.
Shubh: Yeah. Yeah. You know, they have the
Philippe: air from, these are from my lungs.
Shubh: They have compressed so mind. Oh my God.
That could be Revise your whole balloon pitch. Just like this is pure lung air.
Philippe: Yeah. This is lung air.
Shubh: Everyone else out there
Philippe: Yeah.
Shubh: Can air. Exactly.
Philippe: Well,
Shubh: you want that shit in your, in your, in your auditorium
Philippe: local air.
Thomas: Yeah.
Philippe: Local air for local balloons.
Shubh: What's a, what's a, like handmade air? No, it's not, uh, uh, what's the word I'm looking for?
Thomas: Oh, artisan.
Shubh: Artisan Air.
Philippe: Yeah. Artisan. Artisan.
Shubh: Oh, okay. We just renamed Eric's balloon making company. Yeah. Uh, is
Philippe: actually really good.
Shubh: Yeah. Okay. So guys, uh, both of you, uh, entrepreneurial experience at work, scaling company, both of you, personal entrepreneurial experience. Uh, as you know, the purpose of this podcast is to come in and pitch some ideas to Philip and [00:22:00] I, uh, I think we're both incredible at evaluating these ideas.
Philippe: Yeah. We're both very judgmental, which is
Shubh: Yeah. Yeah. Um, who would like to pitch first? You did walk in Thomas earlier and said, I have a whole notion, documented ideas. I did. So I did. And then Erica said, I'm not sure which one to pitch.
Philippe: Ooh.
Shubh: So these guys have come
Erica: Thomas,
Shubh: Google first. Yeah, let's hear it.
Thomas: Yeah, that's, that's a great point. Okay. Um, I will start. With the one that I always think of when I start my day. 'cause I, I'm walking to the office,
Shubh: I love this
Thomas: and I'm like, I woke up a little late, you know, I need my eight hours. And so I'm coming in and it's like, where do you stop for coffee? Right. Do I have time to stop for coffee?
Shubh: Yep.
Thomas: Places have huge lines. They're serving 45 variations of the same bean.
Shubh: If
Thomas: he
Shubh: pitches us an app that orders coffee. Okay, keep going. Yeah.
Thomas: Well, don't, yeah. Yeah. I'm getting there. But it's also really expensive. Yeah. And I, I yearned for the days when it was like a cup of coffee, [00:23:00] right? Yeah. And like you got this little cart guy pouring you some coffee.
That was it. Cream sugar. Do it yourself. Like it's fine.
Philippe: Right.
Thomas: I think simplicity is missing from. Uh, is it Third Wave Coffee? Are we on fourth Wave coffee at this point?
Philippe: I, I don't know. Uh, th I think third
Thomas: wave. I think Starbucks was third Wave, so I'm Oh,
Philippe: okay. Maybe fourth wave.
Thomas: Maybe Fourth wave. I'm, I guess I'm suggesting fifth Wave, which is actually first wave about, and we go back to like a minimal menu.
Very affordable. Just
Philippe: coffee.
Thomas: Just coffee. And, and I think the economics would work if it was all pre-sold. And so What do you mean
Philippe: pre-sold?
Thomas: So you would buy like a, a gift balance. Oh, this is
Philippe: coffee sas.
Thomas: We're talking a dollar 50 coffees.
Philippe: Yeah.
Thomas: And you just, yeah. You, you prepay and you have basically a membership that you feel compelled to use.
To get a dollar 50 copies. So I think there's a niche there.
Philippe: What, uh, what is this? So it's a storefront? Yeah. Or a cart.
Thomas: Yeah. Minimal real estate footprint. I would say a [00:24:00] cart in plus fifteens, if that's doable. Or the smallest storefront you could possibly find.
Philippe: So like a cart outside of building or on the, in the lobby of a building.
Thomas: You got
Shubh: it. You're paying $45 a month
Philippe: and you're just grabbing a coffee every day.
Thomas: Yeah.
Philippe: That's even a better idea. I think that
Shubh: was the idea. I don't think I had, I mean, I'm happy to say that was a better idea, but I actually legitimately think that was the idea.
Philippe: Was that the pitch that you
Thomas: essentially Yeah.
Yeah.
Shubh: It's, it's coffee, it's SaaS,
Philippe: coffee's.
Shubh: Okay. We've said this a couple times when we've had people in where we're like, oh, these are supposed to be funny. This is another real idea.
Philippe: I, if there was a cart in my building or near my building, I, I would subscribe. I like, I, I definitely actually would subscribe and every day because I like my coffee.
So just grab, go. I'm, I'm in the office.
Shubh: The way you said that, it sounded like you were, it was like a, you were set, it was like a poem by spoken word. I let my coffee laugh. He had a little, did you see a little wiggle in
Philippe: there? Yeah, [00:25:00] it was good.
Shubh: We tried to get sponsorships on this, on this thing. So I drink a lot of dec cap coffee, and so one of the few places you can get a decaf coffee reasonably priced is at McDonald's.
So I will stop at the drive through McDonald's all the way to work when I don't have time to make coffee at home. So if there was a cart or a place, I knew I could get a reason, like a dollar 50 outlay for a D because all I want is decaf coffee.
Philippe: Yeah,
Shubh: just the black decaf. That's nothing, nothing crazy. I think I'm in.
Philippe: Yeah. I love it. I, my favorite coffee is like served at a diner in a pot that was like brewed like 20 minutes ago. A hundred percent. Yeah. And it's ideal if, um, the waitress is like a little mean. Do
Shubh: you have a name for this concept?
Philippe: Yeah,
Thomas: you know I was, I was going average Joe. 'cause I think it's just,
Shubh: oh
Thomas: yeah,
Shubh: that's cute.
Oh, I just hit my head on the wall. That was so good. That's unbelievable average Joe.
Thomas: Think there's something there
Shubh: that's, yeah,
Thomas: I think we're scratching at something.
Shubh: Yeah.
Thomas: And the beauty is too, you're not waiting for six people who are [00:26:00] like, can I get the caramel in the macchiato? Like, can I do that? Is that extra?
They're have coffee,
Shubh: they're there. That dessert.
Thomas: No. Everybody in front of you, they come to this place every day. Yeah. You know these guys, they're like black coffee, black coffee.
Shubh: It's minimalist. Back
Thomas: to,
Shubh: yeah, you know what, back to the beans. Coffee.
Philippe: Kick 'em out. Chip like, oh, can I have vanilla membership?
Revokes? Yeah. Gone. Yeah. Is any sort of deviation you're like
Shubh: capped at two milk, two sugar.
Philippe: Yes. They should know better. Sugar milk is there. Should better you put it in, you put it in
Erica: the toothless. Mean lady comes out.
Philippe: Yeah, exactly
Erica: That Other than black. Um,
Shubh: okay. Uh, you said you have more ideas you wanna pitch.
Thomas: I do, but let's spend time where we wanna spend time. I, this
Philippe: is, this is,
Shubh: so we have a rating system on this program. Ooh. Okay. It's a, it's outta 75 salsas.
Philippe: 75 salsas.
Shubh: Uh, when you hear the first episode, you'll understand
Philippe: Uhhuh, to me, this is a, a 70 salsa idea.
Shubh: You, I you've never given a score lower. Every idea has been good.
[00:27:00] I think it's a o only 'cause he's got more in the can and Erica's got a bunch. I don't want to use up my 75 right outta the shoot. I'm gonna say 65.
Thomas: Well, I don't know the index, but that seems high.
Philippe: Yeah.
Shubh: Uh, we, what we found here is we thought, we remember when we were like, oh, we're gonna like, make fun of everybody's idea.
Everybody's idea has been good. Yours wasn't, but everybody else's, everybody pizza
Philippe: lips is a good idea. Yeah. It's a, but um. Uh, can I, can I make a name suggestion before we move on to Erica?
Thomas: Please
Philippe: do. So. I love, I actually do love average Joe, but then in my mind I was like, oh, you could, you could make the, uh, adjective different.
So I was saying believable, Joe.
Thomas: Ooh.
Philippe: It's like believable, Joe. It's like, it's not unbelievable. No. Believe it, it's there.
Shubh: It already sounds like you're making a jingle. Believable joke.
Philippe: Believable joke. Joke.
Shubh: It's kind of blowing down to believable jokes. I like it.
Philippe: You know, it's, Hey, it's [00:28:00] not unbelievable. I'm just a regular man. I'm unbelievable.
Can you believe this
Shubh: place? Yes. All right, Erica, we're gonna, we're gonna ping pong back and forth. I don't know how I'm gonna follow that table. Tennis back and forth. That's what you're supposed to say.
Erica: Okay. So, yeah, I also have a few things that I've been thinking about. Do you have
Shubh: a copy related idea too?
Erica: Unbelievable joke.
Shubh: It's the most complicated coffee shop in the 53 coffee. Only nine ingredient coffee. Yeah. All right, let's hear it.
Erica: Well, we had talked about Automo before. That was a kind of ongoing one, which really takes into like landscaping.
Shubh: Um, can
Erica: you,
Shubh: for Philip's benefit, can you tell us a little bit about Autonomo?
Erica: Well, okay, it started because I got really into landscaping our front yard over the summer. Like I was like rage landscaping. So I bought all the tools and I'm just like hacking. Yeah. The shit out of. [00:29:00]
Philippe: Right.
Erica: The plants. Yeah. Right.
Philippe: What's rage landscaping
Shubh: going? I don't think we have time to unpack that.
Philippe: You're so angry at you.
Shubh: Yeah. Honestly, that feels like a startup idea.
Erica: Yeah.
Philippe: This isn't a coronation,
Shubh: you know, it's all landscaping's. Always like really old people who are like, oh yeah, it helps me relax and like, keeps me active. But Erica's like, no,
Erica: let's take this to the
Shubh: extreme. Yeah. Have you ever landscaped the same way you would hit a man with a two by four if you were a professional wrestler?
Power tool? Yeah. Okay.
Erica: Go. Sorry. Um, use the chair. So I, I got really into it, right? Like, I, like, I, I don't wanna do housework, but I will do yard work. I like the edging, I like trimming, I like, and then you get. It done. And you step back and you look at it and you're like, this is awesome.
Chaz: Yeah.
Erica: But I thought, how could I, like, could I just go door to door and like knock on somebody's door and be like, Hey, I, here's my stuff.
Would you like me to do you be your landscaper? Yeah. And so that started the conversation around like, how could I automate that in a way where [00:30:00] like, could I do 10 lawns while so at the same time?
Shubh: Yeah. Right.
Erica: Because
Shubh: you like the landscaping, but nobody likes the lawnmower.
Erica: I don't like the lawn mower.
Shubh: Right. Who likes the lawnmower? Yeah.
Erica: But I do like the lines. Right.
Shubh: No one ever says lawn mowing destresses me. No one says,
Erica: yeah. So,
Philippe: but people love lawn mowing.
Erica: Who?
Philippe: Yeah. Let's,
Shubh: I, I was, well hold on. You're gonna wreck this. Could you just, can you just play lawn
Philippe: for a
Shubh: second?
Erica: So, um, so to get a fleet of like robotic lawnmowers.
Shubh: Yeah. Yeah.
Erica: And I would do the landscaping. Yep. And then I would just have it set up, you know, four doors down and have the lawnmowers running Yeah. While I do the landscape.
Shubh: So imagine a street, you're walking in the street, all the lawns are being mowed by robots.
Philippe: Yeah.
Shubh: Erica's like making everything look nice.
Philippe: Oh, I see.
Shubh: Right. So the robots are doing the, this is like the ai right? Get the AI to do the menial, like research work. Yeah. Get the robot to mow the lawn. And you're out there making the hedge look like, um, I don't know, a balloon.
Philippe: Yeah,
Erica: sure.
Shubh: Right?
Yeah,
Shubh: you could do that.
Erica: Yeah,
Philippe: I should, I [00:31:00] actually did the, I I had a friend.
He wants, like, this is a brilliant idea because it's like Roomba, but it's for your lawn. For your lawn. Yeah. Which is perfect. Like I'm sure, I'm sure you could quite easily, you know, figure out how to autonomously mow a lawn. It's awesome. But someone did once, you know, talking about no one likes to mow their lawn.
Someone literally wants told me, uh, to me, heaven. Is an eternal lawn and I'm just mowing it, I guess it was, you know?
Shubh: Huh.
Philippe: And he just is obsessed with mowing lawns, so I think people love it. Crack a beer lawn. There's a whole category of beer called lawnmower beers.
Shubh: Okay. Yeah. But hold on. What if you were just sitting outside,
Philippe: right?
Erica: You crack the
Shubh: beer. I mow mow the
Erica: lawn
Shubh: and the lawns getting owned by robots. And a lot of people have said to the, you know, we talked about this before, and like, people are like, well, people can own their own robot lawnmower.
Philippe: Right.
Shubh: But it just sits there most of the time.
Philippe: Yeah.
Shubh: What you're doing is, is uh, it's Airbnb, but for robot lawnmowers.
Erica: Yeah.
Shubh: Okay, we're not gonna rate this one. 'cause Phil [00:32:00] Submarine the whole idea by talking about his friend who's uh, uh, Nirvana was,
Erica: he really didn't set me
Shubh: up for success there.
Erica: It's, thanks,
Shubh: Phil. It's like, Hey, robot, robot lawnmowers. Yeah. You know what? Here's another idea. Not robot Lawn mowers.
Philippe: Here's another idea.
Infinite LA lungs.
Shubh: Can we call it believable mo? Yeah. Automo though. What if we call
Philippe: it automo is great, but it's a cute
Erica: name.
Philippe: But I do think like, okay, go down the street, you want automo, and then you just select all the lots that have bought in and you're like, cool. September 15th, that's your day or whatever.
And then just goes. And then the whole. Block is gonna get converted. 'cause they'll go, oh my God, a ton of mo did everyone's launch. I can't tell.
Shubh: Are you for this idea?
Philippe: Or I'm for this idea. This is a billion idea. Talking
Shubh: it out loud,
Thomas: this feels like 80, 85 sauce. I don't dunno what the scale is.
Shubh: 75.
Thomas: Yeah. It
Shubh: can't get
Thomas: hired.
It's up there. It's up there. Yeah.
Philippe: No, but I think it's, I think it's really good if it's like done through a company, we're like, cool. Just like monopolize a whole street.
Shubh: Because then you do the land you, you sell me at the door on the [00:33:00] landscaping.
Philippe: Yeah.
Shubh: And then you're like, oh yeah, we'll mow your line anyway.
Yeah. Robots mow.
Philippe: Yeah.
Erica: Yeah.
Philippe: More. And they're at work. They don't even know it's a robot. Robot doing it.
Shubh: They don't know. They don't know. It's a robot doing
it.
Erica: Do you think they would feel like it was less value if a robot was doing it versus a person? Mm-hmm.
Shubh: Okay. I own a lawn, so I think I'm equipped to speak as a potential customer, Phil.
Mm-hmm. Phil's not there yet. Um, we had this, when we talked about the barbecue. I don't have a barbecue. I'm like, well, you can't, you can't comment on this idea. I think if I came home and my lawn was mowed, I wouldn't care if a goat did it.
Erica: Yeah.
Shubh: Right.
Erica: Could be another business idea. Goats,
Shubh: I, I mean, uh, that I would care if a goat did it, to be honest.
But I just, I was making a point
Philippe: for those who like, don't want the automo, you're like, oh, well we have goats too.
Shubh: It's for the, it's actually the same audience who only wants lung air.
Philippe: Yeah.
Shubh: There's just, it's just a whole ESG angle that's like goats and real air for the balloons. And if you really want us to go there, we'll use like goat air.
Yeah. [00:34:00]
Philippe: That's, yeah. Yeah.
Shubh: Okay. Are we gonna rate this one? We, I mean we, yeah.
Philippe: It's, I mean, this to me, I, it's brilliant.
Shubh: So it's a landscaping service powered by robot mowers.
Philippe: Mm-hmm.
Shubh: And then the landscaper gets to do the rage and or artistic work of landscaping.
Philippe: Yeah. I think, I think it's 60, it's 65 sauces. To me, it's a great idea.
I, I, because again, like this is, when we talk about the productivity crisis in Canada, we, we like often cite these kind of companies. They're like, snowblower, snow, snow removal companies aren't using snowblowers. And like, so okay, great, let's, hey, let's use the new, this is
Shubh: actually
Philippe: productivity super deduction and let's buy the automo.
And now I'm getting political or I'm talking too much about policy. But, um,
Shubh: if you could acquire the mowers under some sort of shred equivalent, but for auto automo
Philippe: Yeah,
Shubh: for mowing companies, then this business sells and sell.
Philippe: I think, I think you can give all lawnmowers a run for their money
Shubh: and you could, um, you could sublet, sublet, you could [00:35:00] license your fleet of mowers and the technology to existing landscapers and they could 10 x their business.
Philippe: They could look like, you know, I like, I think p Yeah, yeah. Or like, I think people sometimes have a problem with, uh. You know, but what if they, did you say
Shubh: robots? Or robots? It's, it
Philippe: sounded
Shubh: like robots.
Philippe: Robots,
Shubh: okay. Gotcha.
Philippe: But, uh, but you can make 'em look like cute little bunnies or something like, you know, hopping around or something.
So they're just like cute, uh, up and down the lawn.
Erica: Yeah, no, I love it. I love it.
Shubh: You know, cute little bunny that's moving in completely straight lines while it mows your lawn. That would scare me.
Erica: No, SPAC would sell.
Shubh: All right. Okay. Uh, I'm gonna give it, uh, I'm a harsher judge and although I was part of actually the genesis of this idea of 56
Erica: Oh
Shubh: yeah.
Because I think there's more to come here. I've reserved the right to go back and revise that score.
Erica: Okay.
Philippe: Wow.
Erica: Good asterisk. Okay.
Shubh: Yeah. This is why it was so difficult working for, this is why these guys all pushed me out. Easy.
Philippe: A lot, but they usurped [00:36:00] you.
Thomas: I like usurps.
Philippe: It's a strong word,
Thomas: right? It is
Philippe: true Harper.
Shubh: Okay. All right. Thomas, what do you Thomas? We're back.
Thomas: Oh, I do, I give it sauces? No, I don't.
Shubh: You don't? Well, if you want, no. What's
Philippe: your
Thomas: sauce? No, I think I don't. The gun. I said 85 and can't, it doesn't qualify.
Shubh: Can't walk in the door and just start rating pitches. That's not
Thomas: how, no, I just, I like
Philippe: it. We have to go.
We had to do training.
Thomas: Oh, you're certified.
Shubh: I went to six years of salsa score trainings. Exactly. Alright, let's hear it.
Philippe: Pitch number two. Pitch number two from
Shubh: time average.
Philippe: Joe
Shubh: was a good start for you.
Thomas: Thank you. I, I, I have a lot of those that are around simplicity and just like. Limiting things to be more efficient.
Okay. But this one, I wanna go a different angle.
Shubh: Okay.
Thomas: So I wanna say, um, everybody's donated to some kind of charity at some point. Like, okay, you're, you're, uh, your friend from five years ago posts on LinkedIn. They're like, I'm doing this a hundred K bike race Yeah. For breast cancer.
Shubh: Yeah.
Thomas: Please support me, support my team.
So everybody's got that little sense. Or maybe you don't to like support them and don't, why
Shubh: do you think [00:37:00]
Thomas: of me? I dunno. Most people would, right? And they give
Shubh: Yeah.
Thomas: But then most
Philippe: people shop, most people
Thomas: give, most people would,
Philippe: would, would it
Thomas: worth, worth the
Philippe: record?
Shubh: I really like charities and like to give them money.
What do the startups need? Need money and advice. So, so the charities? Yeah. Okay.
Thomas: So you give, they reach their goal, they do the race. Great. Like literally two months later, that charity, whatever it is, has your address. They have your name. Yeah. And they're sending you. Like calendars, little picture books.
Yeah, little like story pamphlets. They sent me a bunch of Christmas cards, blank Christmas cards to send out to my family with their logo mark. All this money on marketing on, on like paper collateral to send to these potential donors. I like the charity. I don't need the marketing. I know the mission.
Shubh: Yeah.
Thomas: I'm gonna give next year when my friend does the same race.
Shubh: Yeah. Yeah.
Thomas: I might give in between if you send me one email. So I want a barrier to kind of limit the. Excessive behavior of charities that are remarketing to donors.
Shubh: Just to [00:38:00] be and
Erica: check the box.
Shubh: Just to be clear, the pitch here is make it harder for charities to raise money.
Thomas: No,
Shubh: no. I,
Thomas: I'm, it's in my risks in mitigation section.
Philippe: I'm, I'm totally following you by the, I wanna hear the
Shubh: isn't isn't
Thomas: there The energy? This
Shubh: isn't there. Like a check solicit says Don't don't mark it to me.
Thomas: Yeah, no, you gotta phone in.
Shubh: Get outta
Thomas: here. Yeah. So this chair, I won't name them 'cause they're, they're good charity.
Cause wait,
Shubh: it's a, no, I'm just
Thomas: kidding.
Shubh: I
Thomas: wanna know who this is
Shubh: after. Yeah, yeah. Just make the motion.
Thomas: But you, you literally have to phone in and say, my name is X and they Okay. Confirm your address. Confirm your, your phone number, they made
Shubh: you verbally opt
Thomas: out? Yeah, I, I donated through a separate platform and that platform, I didn't click anything, gives my information to the charity.
Shubh: Do you think that the charities, do you think we would need to get somebody in here, but do, do you think that the marketing return ratio is there for this stuff?
Thomas: Oh, it's gotta be crazy.
Shubh: Or do you think it's a bunch of agencies that are doing this work for them that just keep like,
Thomas: I I think it's part of the expense bloat at a lot of charities where it's like, oh, [00:39:00] 20% we spend on marketing.
So
Shubh: you are speaking to someone who has started and created a charity run club.
Philippe: So a non, a nonprofit. Yeah, but we've, we've stopped giving to some charities because. Because of the blow. Because we're like, well, so much of your money is gonna marketing spend. I want more of the money to go to, like actually solving what we, you're giving the money to.
Shubh: So, okay. So the pitch is,
Thomas: the pitch is rewind to when I get the LinkedIn notification that my friend is doing this race. Yeah. Instead of putting in my address, I get to use this platform. Call it We want easy give. Yeah. Just a, just an idea. I put in a, uh, their address.
Shubh: Yep.
Thomas: And charities hate to see the easy give address 'cause it's like, dang, we can't market to that guy.
We know this address by heart now. 'cause so many people use this. They have my profile. They know where to send my tax receipt. But the addresses of this mediary, that's protecting me from all this bloat marketing. I don't know how you do it to get the tax receipt. There's a bit of regulatory hurdles, but I think this works.
Shubh: I feel like, and don't take this the wrong way.
Thomas: Yeah, yeah.
Shubh: [00:40:00] You're not pitching us a business idea right now. You're pitching us. This is an, uh, something that I wanna yell up my on my lawn about while a robot is mowing around. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And it just makes me mad. And I think we're all in agreement that, hey, this is, this is, this is something that should be done, but um, I'm not hearing like a
Philippe: Yeah.
Like the obvious is just like, Hey, maybe let's send that money to like the, cause hey, maybe I don't want postcards
Shubh: Yeah.
Philippe: That don't have anything on
Shubh: What if they just said for an extra $3, don't get any marketing material?
Thomas: Hmm. Well, the charity's gotta start that. I, I would go to them later and say, Hey, you wanna, you wanna bypass this or you want to reach my client base?
You can pay for that access. Right. I think the best business ideas start by yelling on your lawn job. I think that's,
Philippe: yeah. You know what, you know, can I take, I might make a little suggestion. What if instead of giving sort of a, um, sorry.
Shubh: It's funny 'cause [00:41:00] Thomas is probably one of the most generous people you ever meet in your
Philippe: life. Right? Right.
Shubh: So the fact that he is so, he gives to so much charity that, uh, this has become a problem for him. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, most people are like, oh, like write one check to the food bank. Oh, I got some letters.
They're like, ah, it doesn't bother them. He's like, this man is. He's dealing with the charitable influx of, right.
Thomas: Yeah. It doesn't, it doesn't have to be a lot. They're just, it's really, he's
Shubh: given too
Thomas: much incessant. It's incessant.
Shubh: This feels like this is maybe just a whole way for you to talk about how much charity
Thomas: No, it is, it is just one and it's every two weeks and they're set every two weeks probably sent me 10 pounds of paper.
Shubh: Yeah. You gotta tell us who this is after.
Thomas: We'll
Shubh: leap it out. I'll,
Thomas: I'll, yeah.
Philippe: I, but I was, I was thinking like, I dunno, do that actually what actually what we do is we, we, when you are giving out money, you enter. More addresses, you know, the address, somebody else's address. Yeah. Someone else's address.
Friends and family, A lover, uh, you know, and it sends them paper and it goes, Thomas [00:42:00] was thinking of you, you know,
Shubh: I think actually that's a, that's a remarketing.
Philippe: Yeah.
Shubh: Play that would actually, the charity would probably go for that, to be honest.
Philippe: You would go for that, like, oh, great. More addresses. Yeah. We legally allowed to
Shubh: send, I believe in startup line, we call this network effects.
Okay. I'm going to not rate this idea because I don't feel like it's a business idea.
Philippe: Well, because you've never given money to charity, so you, the
Shubh: problem is I give so much that it's just, you know, they just know me. It's interesting though, 'cause we do a number of charitable donations. I don't get a lot of physical mail.
From charities.
Philippe: Okay. So one thing that actually bugs me though, like to be serious about this is when charities actually do have too much marketing spend, because this charity nonprofit that we ran, we're raising money for charity. Like some of these charities spend way too much money on marketing and there's a, I think it's like an efficacy rating or like where that money goes.
And sometimes it's like we're all volunteering and you're taking slices off the top. Mm-hmm. [00:43:00] Uh, uh, spending that money on marketing. I actually like, you know, if you can figure out where the good charities locally are, I would care a lot about that information. Yeah.
Shubh: I'm
Philippe: serious now.
Shubh: I think, again, I agree with all the points being made.
I'm just not sure I was pitched an idea yet. It sounds like you're gonna, you, you're pitching the idea you're pitching is a. Fake residence for all this mail.
Thomas: Yeah. It gets 99 cents per month per user. And it blocks my address from all these marketers. It could be more than charity, I'm not sure. It could be sketchy websites.
Uh,
Shubh: I still, I mean, the problem is you started with believable, ordinary, average Joes, which was a real good idea.
Philippe: If you want a fake website, I can give you the address of my arch nemesis and you can just send me everything.
Shubh: That's all we need. Yeah. Do you have an arch nemesis? Uh,
Philippe: yeah. And he's about to get a lot of calendar.
Shubh: I can't wait. I'm gonna find out who this charity is after who this arch nemesis
Erica: is on. Thet.
Shubh: Okay. [00:44:00] Erica, you got one more
Erica: for us.
Shubh: Oh wait, did you have a question? Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you.
Erica: No, I was just gonna say, so does it, does it count as an idea or does should Thomas go again with a different idea?
Shubh: No, no, you get to go me. He's pitched, I'm, I'm refusing to rate it.
Philippe: We're, we're both bowing out of rating this horrible idea.
Shubh: Yeah. Because I think the idea is tough to understand. Mm-hmm. And as such, also, I'm like a little worried if I give it a good rating, that charity's gonna come after me. What? I mean, that's fair.
Like, I'm a little scared.
Thomas: I think tomorrow your mailbox is full. If I'm gonna be honest.
Shubh: Yeah. That's a, that I actually now think maybe I need to be, pay more attention to what's in my mail.
Philippe: Yeah.
Erica: So I ha I could take this in one of two ways. I have an idea for a quick service. Hairstyling bar.
Shubh: Okay.
Erica: Or maybe these are the same but different, uh, or a pet grooming salon.
But it's more about questions around the pet grooming salon.
Shubh: I would like to hear the salons, the combination of both. Because here, and I'm just gonna pitch this to you right now, a [00:45:00] place where you go while you're getting your hair done, the pet's getting groomed.
Erica: Yeah, it's just like a oh, a twofer.
Philippe: My job.
Shubh: Uh, and it's called Hair of the Dog.
Erica: Ooh, that actually is great. And we also serve adult beverages.
Shubh: Yeah. Oh my God. Yeah. Come on.
Erica: Yeah, right.
Shubh: That's
Erica: good.
Shubh: Like a scissor. So with respect, Thomas, this is how you pitch it.
Erica: I'll see myself out.
Shubh: Yeah, yeah. Okay. But let's hear the mechanics of this. Let's go.
Erica: Well,
Shubh: but I would like you to combine these two.
Erica: So there is a a, there is a company, company called Drybar where they go in, where you go in and they,
Shubh: uh, you can say company's names. We're trying to get sponsors.
Erica: Okay, what? So I
Shubh: hit us up Dry bar.
Erica: I love dry bar.
Shubh: Yeah.
Erica: It's, no, it's no like haircuts. It's no coloring. It's just, it's simple quick service style.
So I wanna go in, my hair's very curly, obviously, and I wanna get it blow out. You just
Shubh: getting your hair done.
Erica: You just get your hair done.
Shubh: Not cut, not colored,
Erica: just done. But it's really simplified. It's from, you have a [00:46:00] book of like four or five hairstyles to choose from. Yeah. Maybe one or two Updos. And it's like an hour appointment.
In, out, in, out, in, out. It's bright, it's light, it's fun, it's quick. I don't think that there's anything like this in Calgary right now. Now I personally don't have a background in hairstyling dogs or humans.
Shubh: Yeah,
Erica: but
Shubh: you have a dog though. And
Erica: you have hair. I do. And I have hair. Yeah. Yes. So I can speak from that vantage point, but I think that it would be worth exploring.
Shubh: Okay, so can I, sorry, you we're gonna go, but I, we don't have a dog, but it is now on our roadmap.
Erica: 2026. The
Shubh: kids have finally like successfully lobbied,
Philippe: right?
Shubh: They actually, I will tell the story. They objection handled us. 'cause like for a while I was like, ah, we're never getting a dog because it's too much work.
And mom and I we're running around. Then we started wear down a little, and then I was like, guys, I'll tell you the thing that bothers me the most though, is we will leave the house and this dog will be by themselves all day. And my oldest goes, well dad, I'm gonna go to high school, a 10 minute walk. Why don't I just come home at lunchtime and check on the dog?[00:47:00]
And then I was like, but you can't come home at every, every day at lunch. And then my middle one goes, yeah, but I'm going to junior high. I can leave campus starting next year. I'll check in on the dog the days that she can't.
Philippe: Yeah.
Shubh: The younger one didn't, uh, really offer any additional support. She was just like, yeah, that's a great idea.
And I was like, they just actually fully Objection handled.
Philippe: Yeah.
Shubh: Their little salespeople. That's so good. That's
Philippe: so good. But
Shubh: my point is,
Philippe: get them on the podcast. I feel like that that would mean, yeah.
Shubh: Yes. Actually the dog, you go in to do the hair. I, so I like your quick style idea. I'm not, I'm not trying to, but I think you're not thinking big.
Chaz: Okay.
Shubh: I think it's, it's, you go in for your hair while the dog gets their hair done. Or fur, what is it called? Fur dog's. Fur would
Erica: be depending on the type of dog.
Philippe: Oh.
Shubh: Sometimes called. And then I think you're just like, yeah, right. Yeah. Everybody's coming out groomed.
Philippe: I like it. Yeah. You and your dog just, just swagged out looking, get dripped [00:48:00] out looking good.
Shubh: And you're, this is a legitimate idea.
Philippe: What's the, what's the dog, what's the dog grooming aspect? You said you had questions around it.
Erica: Yeah, I did. So I was thinking about the idea 'cause I, I love dogs. Like, I, I would say that if you, if someone was describing me and I'm not around, dogs would probably be somewhere in it.
Like a big animal person. Right. Okay. And so I thought it would be interesting to kind of take that brand of being an animal person and setting up a pet grooming salon. But I wondered if it would make more sense to buy a salon that's already currently established and just revamp it in operations, in branding, in marketing, versus starting something from scratch and just doing it from the jump as opposed to something that's already.
Set up.
Shubh: I, I mean, I know it's my own idea and so I'm in love with it. And my own evolution of is, I think you gotta have dogs and human hair and dogs at the same time.
Erica: Okay. [00:49:00]
Shubh: I think this is the hook,
Erica: the name of,
Shubh: there's
Erica: hair, the dog is awesome.
Shubh: A lot of people with dogs, right?
Philippe: Yes.
Shubh: And it's like when people,
Philippe: I, I've just decided this is gross.
I'm just decided it's really gross
Shubh: when people, you know, uh, it's like those care places where like, moms with babies that are, like, when the mom gets a massage, like daycare, they, they look after the baby.
Erica: Yeah.
Shubh: The dog comes with you. So you're not leaving the dog at home. The dog are like, gets a little work.
Erica: They're also getting groomed though, or is it more like a pet sitting?
Shubh: Uh, well let's assume they're getting groomed because, uh, I think it works better from a go-to-market perspective, right? Everybody. Yeah. Like you're in there and you're getting your hair done and then the dogs over there are getting all done, nails clipped and whatnot.
Uh, what do they call them?
Erica: Nails Did hair. Did everything.
Shubh: Did DD
Thomas: Dlo?
Erica: No, they're just getting their nails tripped.
Thomas: Kidding.
Shubh: Oh yeah, they're getting their nails tripped. Um, oh, you can do cats too. No, I'm just, that's where
Thomas: I,
Shubh: I'm saying I think there's a market for, oh, this is a great hairdressing place. And by the way, [00:50:00] you can also take your dog there to get groomed at the same time.
Philippe: Yeah.
Erica: So is this,
Shubh: I think called Hair of the Dog.
Philippe: Hair of I
Erica: love the name.
Philippe: Yeah. I, to me the name is amazing.
Erica: But
Shubh: yeah, the
Philippe: name is
Shubh: amazing. But there's a butt. There's a butt.
Philippe: Was Zian is Z in a dog friendly office?
Thomas: It is,
Philippe: it is. And you guys love that.
Thomas: We do.
Philippe: Are we gonna be a little bit contrarian and I don't really love that.
Shubh: Yeah, I know. I, I'm, I mean, I love Erica's dog. Who in Walter is a hilarious shout up to Walter. He's basically like a human
Philippe: right
Shubh: in dog form.
Philippe: Yeah.
Shubh: But there's some other dogs that came into the office.
Philippe: Yeah.
Shubh: And. Yeah. I don't know.
Philippe: Yeah. Yeah. And, and you know, it's like this is a workplace.
Shubh: Yeah.
Philippe: It's not a, a play pad,
Shubh: but what I'm saying is you're going there as a customer, right.
There's like a little, like little lane. The dog goes down this lane, you come into this side.
Erica: Yeah.
Shubh: And you know the dog's happy, right? Yeah. Because what is it, how long does it, you take Walter to the [00:51:00] dog groomer ever?
Erica: Two and a half hours I think it takes to get
Shubh: two and a half hours.
Erica: He's a big buddy.
Shubh: And if you go to the hairstylist and you're getting everything done, not just the quick style, how long is that gonna take?
Erica: No, I don't, uh, like I would be getting a cut.
Shubh: Yeah.
Erica: Probably also two and a half hours.
Philippe: Perfect.
Erica: Big dog.
Philippe: Perfect. That works.
Shubh: I'm just saying. And I still also like your quick style idea.
Erica: Yeah.
Shubh: Like, it's like, it's kind of like Thomas's coffee, taking it back to the basics.
Erica: Mm-hmm.
Shubh: Maybe you could put 'em
Erica: Yeah.
Shubh: Together
Erica: also a buck 50
Shubh: from the people that brought you believable Joe.
Erica: Yeah. Unbelievable hair.
Shubh: That's pretty good actually. Yeah.
Philippe: Yeah. It's good.
Shubh: You could have a quick style place, grab, get your simple coffee. But I do really like this idea of this isn't a real idea. The dog getting done and the her person getting done.
Philippe: What kind of dog is that, Walter?
Erica: He's a Bernese Mountain dog.
Philippe: Oh my God. Yeah.
Erica: It's so
Philippe: cute. So
Shubh: big though. He, he should come on the
Erica: podcast. Yeah. And I hate washing him. Like I won't, like, we'll just take him to the groomer probably once a quarter.
Shubh: Yeah.
Erica: And [00:52:00] they just do it. How
Shubh: often do you get your go to get your hair done?
Erica: Well, rarely ever. 'cause there's not a quick service place.
Shubh: Yeah. Hmm.
Erica: Just wear it. Well, like
Shubh: how often you get your hair cut? Once a quarter
Erica: every, no, no, no, no, no, no. Almost
Shubh: line that up.
Erica: Almost. Almost.
Shubh: Okay. Uh,
Philippe: okay. How often? How often let someone
Erica: No. Like every couple years.
Philippe: Every couple years.
Erica: Yeah. But I, but getting my hair cut and getting my hair styled is different.
Like, it would take me two hours to do this on my own because I have so much hair. So, and I don't want to do it. I just go. Sit in a chair, have somebody massage my head. Straighten it. Yeah. And then like, let me walk out.
Shubh: So the only problem I have with the quick style idea is can't you just do that today at a regular hair place?
Just be like, don't cut it.
Erica: Yeah. But it's not,
Shubh: don't cut it. Something like that.
Erica: I like hair of the dog better.
Shubh: Doesn't,
Thomas: doesn't cut it doesn't cut it.
Shubh: Yeah.
Thomas: Yes.
Erica: It
Thomas: doesn't cut it so long.
Shubh: It doesn't cut. It brought to you by, it's
Thomas: not a scissor
Shubh: in the place. The people who brought you average jokes. No scissors.
Okay. I don't love the style only.
Erica: Okay. [00:53:00] Tell me why.
Shubh: Uh, um, I, I don't know. I just, um, I think, I think because I'm obsessed with the dog place.
Erica: Okay.
Shubh: Because I just think like,
Philippe: was this you as a boss? Was this you as their boss? Or you would just be like, I hate this, like, kind of reasonable idea. Just
Shubh: I would actually, I think I would very commonly take the kernel of an idea that they had.
Philippe: Right.
Shubh: Repackage it as my own idea.
Philippe: Yeah. Yeah.
Shubh: And it'd be like, wow, this is a great idea. I'm so glad it's your, your idea. This revamped idea.
Philippe: Right? And I think that's true leadership where you wouldn't, you would like take the credit for this. You're like, like,
Shubh: yeah,
Philippe: yeah, yeah. Kudos to me on this amazing idea.
Shubh: I mean, yeah. I'm gonna give myself a rating. I do really like, uh, I know you said you had two ideas. I think you gotta mash 'em together.
Erica: Okay.
Philippe: So you're, you're about to score.
Shubh: I'm giving hair of the dog. A 68. I think it's a market opportunity. No one is doing hair of both people and [00:54:00] animals at the same place.
Philippe: You gave, you gave Omo.
Shubh: Omo, I, uh,
Erica: 65.
Shubh: Yeah. Yeah.
Philippe: With 59. I thought it was.
Shubh: Oh yeah. I gave the 6 55.
Erica: It,
Philippe: yeah.
Shubh: 83. Yeah. Thomas gave it a hundred
Philippe: points. This is better. No, this is why I'm taking a bit of a sharper turn. I think it's frankly disgusting.
The premise. The premise of like, me, like I, I go, I go to the barbershop just to like, you know, hang out with, with the barbers.
Shubh: It's not for, I don't believe it's for the people who go to the barber
Philippe: shop's for
Shubh: Yeah.
Philippe: Yeah. And like, yeah, I want dogs. Only one planet, like in the home and in dog parks and frankly disgust and cold garden.
I don't want, oh God. So for me, it, it's a, it's like a 25.
Shubh: Oh my goodness.
Philippe: Sorry. Not for me. I'm
Erica: being the worst.
Shubh: Yeah, but listen, uh, it's not you got you. I've given you my highest rating. So it's a little jarring though for Phil. 'cause he is never given anything less than a 60.
Philippe: Well, we also. [00:55:00] We both bowed out of, of
Shubh: Yeah.
Rating
Philippe: Thomas'
Shubh: Point, like we technically gave Thomas is a zero. Yeah, yeah, that's true. You might've been the first double zero in
Philippe: this
Shubh: podcast.
Philippe: Yeah, that's right. We just, we just felt so bad that we were both gonna give,
Shubh: uh, single digits. We're, we're running on time here, and I wanna be sensitive to that.
But that being said, you guys, either you have something else on your list, you were like, I really wish I would've pitched this one. Thomas has got one. I can see it in his eyes.
Thomas: I, I think I got a quick one. I came up with this last weekend. Okay. So I had to buy a new hockey stick. Snaps. You gonna say something?
Go ahead.
Shubh: No. Is it better than the second one?
Thomas: Uh, almost by definition it has to be, right? Yeah. I'm hoping.
Shubh: Okay. Thomas plays a little
Thomas: recreational hockey. Hockey cut the whole segment here, but I,
Shubh: hockey stick broke.
Thomas: Hockey stick broke. It's like 300, 400 bucks to get It's crazy. A grid. It's crazy. Yeah.
Shubh: Yeah.
Thomas: And often it's just a little fracture on one of the four corners of the, the stick, right? Mm-hmm.
Shubh: Okay. Oh, so that didn't snap.
Thomas: No, it's, it's a, like a fracture that slowly grows and then it creates a weak point, which snaps. Mine did
Shubh: snap.
Thomas: That's
Shubh: life A sometimes, right?
Thomas: It's a metaphor. Metaphor.
Shubh: I mean, amen.[00:56:00]
Thomas: Amen. You gotta think there's some kind of defense to this, right? Like a shield that could kind of minimize the, the blows. So I'm thinking like on each of the, just the bottom half of the stick, you put like this little chain link armor, you know? And, um, we could, we could partner with Bauer and we could like make it real fancy and you stick it on your stick and it increases the lifespan of your hockey stick.
But
Philippe: chain link.
Shubh: Okay. Wait, did you, did you ever play road hockey or street hockey growing up?
Thomas: Yeah. Yeah.
Shubh: Did you know they have these little guards for your wooden stick for when you played street hockey? It would. The
Thomas: blade. The blade,
Shubh: yeah.
Thomas: Yeah.
Shubh: But you're saying this is a different part of the stick this
Thomas: goes on the shaft?
Yeah.
Shubh: Okay. So you're saying this is on the, the shaft of the stick, you would add something metallic?
Thomas: Yeah.
Shubh: But then this is the same shaft of the stick where you generally crosscheck somebody with.
Thomas: Correct.
Shubh: So how will you reconcile the, the
Thomas: personal Oh, carbon fiber is hard as can be. Like seriously, you're already cross checking someone with carbon fiber.
I [00:57:00] think it's, it's minimal material in the right place.
Philippe: Okay. That's not my problem. But it's like chin, oh, chin link armor famously light.
Shubh: Okay. Wait, wait. But I do think there's something here. So you're, you're really like pitching us, uh, you know that 3M stuff you put on a car to protect it, you're pitching us 3M but for hockey sticks
Thomas: a hundred percent.
Shubh: So can we just not, instead of chain link, could it not just be like a, like a wrap of some kind?
Thomas: Yeah, it's the spirit of chain link.
Shubh: What if it literally was spirit of Chainlink? What if this Christmas on Apple team, uh, the, the, could you do this with the 3M wrap tomorrow?
Thomas: Yeah. Like some, I don't know. They probably got some scientists.
No,
Shubh: I'm literally asking you. No. The stuff that you put on the car.
Thomas: Uh, yeah. I feel like that's the prototype.
Shubh: We have a joint friend who loves doing stuff to his car. Jamie?
Thomas: Yes.
Shubh: What if you, you took this to Jamie, know he's got some,
Thomas: Jamie, if you're listening, uh, if you got some leftovers, he definitely not listen.
Yeah. I dunno why I'm asking. Don't
Shubh: never [00:58:00] listen.
Thomas: Yeah.
Shubh: Uh, you could, you know, you just wrap it.
Thomas: Yes.
Shubh: This I'm on board with
Thomas: and it's flexible. It can still bend.
Shubh: Yeah. Okay.
Philippe: Great
Thomas: sauce. What's the sauce?
Shubh: Sauce?
Thomas: Or sorry, questions?
Philippe: Well, this is rapid fire round, right? I think.
Thomas: Yeah.
Shubh: Where's it done?
Philippe: But where's it
Shubh: get done?
Philippe: Oh yeah. Okay. Yeah. Where do you bring,
Thomas: oh, this is the best part. You would, you would get it in all the hockey shops and they could upsell for installation. Right. Would you like the wrap?
Shubh: Yeah.
Thomas: Also, it's a $15 installation, but it's going to two x the lifetime of your stick, this brand new stick you're buying.
Yeah. Shops are gonna love this 'cause they get to squeeze pure margin on installation.
Shubh: This is a legitimate idea. It's a
Philippe: legit idea.
Shubh: I mean, you're talking about extending a lifetime of something that costs 350 bucks parents would eat. Is
Philippe: that how much a stick
Thomas: is the new, the new Bowers are four 70.
Shubh: What?
Yeah, so 20. Hey,
Philippe: how about, how about give up the dream? Huh? Have you tried soccer? Yeah. Hey, go for a run buddy. Uh, [00:59:00] time. Time to play another sport. You're not gonna make it pal.
Shubh: $20 shin pads at soccer. They provide the ball.
Philippe: Yeah, exactly. You
Shubh: just need some shoes.
Philippe: Yeah.
Shubh: Uh
Philippe: uh. Yeah. This old bitch is like, maybe let's stop playing hockey.
Shubh: Sorry. Canada.
Philippe: Sorry. Canada. This seems like a ridiculous expense. Um,
Shubh: Phil's a very. Um, mid runner Patron? No, he's, he's, he's a very, very, you guys
Philippe: have heard of Quidditch.
Shubh: He's,
Philippe: he's,
Shubh: he's got a ton of credibility and when talking about athletics, 'cause he is 2019 Canadian Quidditch National Champion.
Philippe: That's right.
Yeah.
Thomas: How much does a Quidditch Broom run you though?
Philippe: It's, you know, it's just a PVC pipe that you get at Home Depot. It's
Shubh: just a PVC pipe.
Philippe: Now we're solving, now we're solving it. We're solving
Thomas: problems.
Philippe: Yeah.
Shubh: So I'm on board with this idea. I actually think it's a really good idea. There's companies that have just like built better hockey tape and made tens of millions of dollars,
Thomas: right?
Mm-hmm.
Shubh: Mm-hmm. So I, this is, to me, this is actually a real idea that's [01:00:00] commercializable, that's marketable, that actually adds value. Um, I'm 71.
Philippe: 71. Um. Y uh, it, it, it's, it's a 40 salsa to me. There is a 40 s if you
Shubh: crack the lid on one poor rating
Philippe: and
Shubh: now you feel like you're just,
Philippe: and now I feel like Simon Cowell, I'm, I'm getting high.
I think if you know
Chaz: for me, Doug
Philippe: Jackson. Jackson. Yeah. I'm, I'm a high off telling people no right now. Yeah.
Shubh: Okay. So summary. There was five ideas. I was heavily in favor of hair of the dog. You really like the average Joe. Regular Joe.
Philippe: Believable.
Shubh: Joe. Joe.
Philippe: I
Shubh: really like that. I like this hockey rap. Wait, does it have a name?
Thomas: Mm, no, not yet. Uh, 3M
Shubh: Stick it, stick it to 'em.
Thomas: Tm, TM 3M.
Shubh: Uh, that's three good pitches. Our worst pitch we've had yet. And, uh, the mail, the mailbox, the, the one that. The one make it harder for charities to raise money.
Philippe: Yeah, that's right. [01:01:00]
Shubh: Uh, and then, uh, and then the mowing one, we were like,
Philippe: I like the mowing one.
Shubh: You've come around.
Philippe: No, I really, I gave it a high school
Shubh: No, before because you were like, no, everybody wants to mow their lawn. This is crazy.
Philippe: No, there's some people who don't wanna mow their lawn, but some people who love it too. And, and that's fine. Let them, yeah, exactly.
Shubh: We will let them
Philippe: be, you know, there's some people who will use autonomo and then some people who will fall behind in this world.
And that's okay.
Erica: That's right.
Philippe: You know,
Erica: you're gonna be ahead of the curve.
Philippe: Let people let people, yeah, exactly. Yeah. You're gonna be ahead of the curve. Let people, you know, age in grace.
Shubh: Mm-hmm.
Philippe: And you don't need them, everyone to adopt new.
Shubh: Not everybody will belong. Belong,
Philippe: belong. Not everyone. Not everyone has to belong.
Shubh: Belong. Sometimes the grass is greener on your own side.
Philippe: Okay. Grass is greener.
Shubh: Uh, well guys, I want to thank you for coming in and thank you for being patient. And thank you for, without question loading up the highest volume of pitches we've gotten.
Philippe: Yeah,
Shubh: like that was like,
Philippe: that was great. That was a [01:02:00] rapid fire.
Five in a row.
Shubh: Yeah. Do you, but you got more so you're gonna come back at some point?
Thomas: Uh, yeah. We'll be back.
Shubh: I wanna see a coffee cart inside of the next, next time, next quarter
Philippe: maybe with
Shubh: something. And I would like you to go home and just wrap the shaft of your stick up with duct tape and see if it works.
I'm gonna try.
Thomas: Yeah.
Shubh: Right. That's your prototype.
Erica: Prototype.
Shubh: Just duct. Tape it up.
Philippe: Duct tape it up. Thank you guys so much for coming. Thank you
Shubh: very much.
Erica: Thank you. Thank you. Bye. Thanks for having us guys. Byebye.
Shubh: Okay. I wanna thank, uh, once again Thomas and Erica for coming in. Philip, you don't know Thomas and Erica as well as I do. What do you think of their pitches? And just to remember, that was from a volume perspective, without question, the highest number of pitches we've ever gotten. We had tomo. Yeah, it was
Philippe: incredible.
Shubh: We had the, the quick service hair place where you don't need a cut, but you need a style. I contributed to a hair and a pet grooming place at the same time.
Philippe: Yeah.
Shubh: And then we also had just regular coffee, just like ordinary,
Philippe: regular coffee.
Shubh: An [01:03:00] exceptional just black coffee basically. I don't want to talk, say too much about Thomas's second idea that, that don't let charities market to you 'cause, you know, uh, and then, uh, and then the, the other one was.
Very expensive hockey sticks. We were both surprised to find out how expensive hockey sticks. Now, a way to prevent breakage or, or not even breakage, damage to them was his other.
Philippe: I, yeah, I don't, I like, I don't wanna call this episode like the Steph Curry of our episodes because that would mean like a lot of the shots went in, but it's like some other like, kind of like medium basketball player.
He does
Shubh: talk, he, he has attempted the most number of threes in NBA history and he's made the most number threes, but he's also attempted the most number.
Philippe: Yeah. Yeah. Okay. That's, that's fair. I would say like, then it is like Steph Curry, because Steph Curry is like, what? Like on a bad year is like 30% from three.
So like Yeah. That's kinda what this is like. Yeah. One of the pitches was okay. Some of them were really bad though.
Shubh: I really liked the [01:04:00] combo. Human grooming plus dog grooming at the, at the same place.
Philippe: Oh
Shubh: yeah. Because I thought it was a great time saver. You got a lot of people getting their hair done, but also neither dog groomed.
You were disgusted by the concept. Just Absolutely. I've never, I don't think I've ever seen you that agitated actually.
Philippe: So gross. Like
Shubh: you just thought it was the worst.
Philippe: But I, but I did meet someone that I think could poss and I actually pitched pretty much a, a tomo.
Shubh: Yep.
Philippe: He's, he, this guy.
Shubh: Yep.
Philippe: Robotics engineer, like senior robotics engineer.
Was just working at a company that got acquired by Google building, like a robotics fleet of something, and then now moved back to Calgary, like he was down in sf now moved back to Calgary and it's like, I don't know what to do. Like I wanna build robots in the city. And I was like a ton mode subscription model.
Uh, like not a [01:05:00] crazy idea. Like you should think about it. So he's like, I think this might be one of the first businesses that spin out of this podcast with the silly little business ideas.
Shubh: Do you think his robotics would extend to automated barbecue covers, or do you think that's beneath his capabilities?
Philippe: Good. I think it really, maybe it's a good start. He seemed a little, um,
Shubh: idea. We could
Philippe: do the first podcast
Shubh: in the world idea, having a, a robotics engineer on staff.
Philippe: Yeah, that would be crazy. Just
Shubh: tell me, there's another podcast that has a robotics engineer on staff.
Philippe: That's right. It's
Shubh: impossible.
Philippe: Well, let's be clear that he's not on staff.
We just went for coffee.
Shubh: What did you go for? What kind of coffee did he have? Was it a regular coffee?
Philippe: It was an average Joe.
Shubh: Um, Chaz, you were unable to be on that, um, call, but what I know you like sports Thomas educated Philip and I on the current cost of hockey sticks, which it seems outrageous even though, uh, we'll take that [01:06:00] Nike Bauer sponsorship.
But he talked about how they get nicked up. They just get a little nicked up and then the stick is compromised basically. And it's a 400 stick. So his idea was like wrapping the stick basically, or some kind of plastic protective cover. So we told him from a proof of concept perspective to wrap a hockey stick in 3M tape, you know, the stuff you put on cars to, to keep it safe.
So we're gonna have to follow up with him in a couple weeks to see if he took us up on that offer. And what do you think that idea get an update. Yeah. Chaz, you, you, like, you've got some expensive hockey sticks, right?
Philippe: Uh, yeah.
Shubh: What, what does that mean? You don't like this idea? You're not gonna put 3M tape on your, you're not gonna wrap your hockey stick.
Chaz: Well, I mean, I'd probably have to hear a little bit more of the pitch, but it does seem a little bit crazy to me. Yeah. Off, off the hump. I do know that hockey sticks are very expensive though, and kids do tend to break them a lot. So there's gotta be some potential there. I would say, [01:07:00]
Shubh: I don't wanna turn this into like a socioeconomic commentary, but how do kids afford to play hockey nowadays?
Is, is it just literally only rich kids that can play hockey? 'cause of the cost of the equipment?
Chaz: It's, it's always been rich kids.
Shubh: Uh, yeah, that was a fun episode for me, Thomas and Erica and I used to just hang out in the office and just like that's where Tomo came from. So it's nice to hear that Phil's going to basically, I. I think he just committed to founding that company. Uh,
Philippe: co-founding. Yeah, co-founding with my, my on staff robotics engineer.
Shubh: I think it's gonna be amazing. I actually think Hair of the Dog, which was the name that I came up with for the, for the Hairstyling Plus Dog Brewing Place, and they serve alcohol. I think that's a business model. And I, I actually just met with somebody who runs a sort of a WeWork for stylists, and I'm gonna be like, Hey, what about WeWork for stylists and pet grooming?[01:08:00]
Philippe: Whoa,
Shubh: what about
it?
Philippe: Yeah, do it. Yeah, because that's not, because they could rent it out to a dog groomer in the other room. I think my, maybe my big problem with this idea is, uh, my hair, like me and my parents have a dog. It's a golden doodle. And so me and my dog's hair are exactly the same. And we look almost very similar.
Would you say
your
Shubh: personalities are quite similar too?
Philippe: Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Definitely. Would you
Shubh: say this dog is you in dog form and you
Philippe: honestly dog in
Shubh: form?
Philippe: I think I might be Charlie in human form.
Shubh: Is it like a Freaky Friday situation except you switched places with this dog
Philippe: or did they, did they
Chaz: replace you with the dog?
How long after you moved out did they get this dog great? Yeah.
Philippe: Oh, that's a great question. Um, and is the dog's name not very long at all? Yeah, yeah. Really? Actually like my dad's name for hi, like his iPhone's name. Like my iPhone's name is like Philip's iPhone. His is Charlie's dad. [01:09:00] Like what? I've been written outta the history books.
Shubh: Charlie's not your brother either. Charlie's the dog.
Philippe: Yeah. Charlie's the dog. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Shubh: Your dad has chosen the dog over both. Both of his human children.
Philippe: Exactly. Yeah. That's what happened. But it would be so funny if me and Charlie went for a haircut together. It'd be like, this is cutting the same hair, you know?
Yeah.
Shubh: You could just use the same person the same, yeah.
Philippe: Yeah. My hairdresser would be like, what do you want? And my dog would answer, you know? He'd alright. You know? I was sudden. Yeah. I got a collar, you know,
Shubh: I the she like this question that Chaz pose is that the second you walked outta the house, they got a dog.
They were like, Hey, just make this dog look like one of my kids.
Philippe: Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
Shubh: They just showed up with a picture of their kid and was like, do you got a dog that looks like this?
Philippe: We got just the one. Yeah. He's doing a good job over there. He's pulling his weight, I think. [01:10:00] Replacing me.
Shubh: Uh, okay. So you think you maybe turned around on hair of the dog because you, you realized you and your dog could be primary?
Philippe: No, I'm still devily opposed, I think, I think, you know, me and Charlie, we need our separate space. I don't think, yeah. I don't think we need to be getting haircuts.
Shubh: Yeah. Plus people, you don't want people to, you know, you want be those magazines where they take pictures of people and they're like, oh look, the dog looks like the person, like the owner.
You don't want one of those.
Philippe: Exactly. That's exactly
Shubh: who, who wore it better and it'll be you and the dog.
Philippe: And the dog would always win.
Shubh: Yeah. Yeah. And the dog would be wearing a jaunty little neck scarf and you'll both be wearing these jaunty neck scarfs and the dog will, people will be like, God, that dog really rocked that neck scarf.
Philippe: Yeah. I'm excited to look at what that adjective means, but yeah, I'm, I'm sure Jaunty is what will the next scarfs will
Shubh: be. I actually really do think you should look up what that adjective means if you don't, because I think if I could use one word to describe you, it would be jaunty.
Philippe: Oh, [01:11:00] having, having or expressing a lively, cheerful, and self-confident manner.
Ooh,
Shubh: Chaz, can you back me up here? Is Jaunty exactly what Philip is?
Chaz: Yeah, I'd say he's rather jaunty.
Shubh: I actually, now I'm enraged with myself that I didn't propose. Jaunty is one of your nicknames anyway, but Thomas and Erica were great. They also rocked holiday sweaters, so they also feel struggled with your understanding of the space time continuum when it comes to podcasting.
'cause that episode will probably come out after the holidays. But, uh. I do appreciate how they committed to, they committed to the time here.
Philippe: The time. Let's just, maybe we should just say that time within this podcast universe is not linear. You know, if
Shubh: it doesn't even exist,
Philippe: what if time doesn't even exist and neither does space?
Shubh: Well, space clearly exists, right?
Philippe: Okay. Right. Sorry. Time. Yeah. Okay.
Shubh: Time is [01:12:00] fluid,
Philippe: but it's possible without time, space doesn't exist. Right?
I'm so outta my dad.
Chaz: Long guy
Shubh: moving. Just, Chaz is holding up a, holding up a wrap sign. Okay. Uh, stay tuned for episode five when we're gonna discuss the parallels between space and time and whether space can exist without time. No, we're not. Or vice versa. We're not gonna, we're actually just gonna do 60 minutes on.
I'm gonna review every, I'm gonna do one minute review of every Marvel film. And it'll take 29 minutes. Yes.
Philippe: In what order though?
Chronological or in the way? They were really
Shubh: this, this is the JST episode we've ever had and Chaz is getting grumpier and happier. Alright fellas, thanks for your jumping on. I'm gonna say this, have a great holiday season and to everybody who might hear this after the holiday season, continue having a great season.
Philippe: I hope your holidays are [01:13:00] jaunty.
Shubh: Oh, jaunty. It's such a good word. Did you actually not know that word before today?
Philippe: Well, I knew of a jaunt, but I'm gonna look up if those are the same words.
Shubh: Can you, as we're leaving, I'm gonna say thanks everyone. And then can you just say, jaunty. Okay. Thanks everybody.
Philippe: John t.