YBIOTL Episode 6 Publish
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[00:00:00] So wait, I want your opinion on something before we get into it. Um, normally we do a separate intro, but because Tate's a very special guest. Yeah. And would enjoy the banter. Do we do the intro with Tate? I think we do the intro with Tate. I think it would be good. That's what I was thinking too. Woody enough in person for like the intro banter though.
Oh no, don't worry about that. Make concern and all of this. You're don't about that. You're definitely not woody enough. Yeah. This, this isn't like text message. Tate here. This is, this is communication. You know what buddy? It'll be just the last, Don's gonna do most of the talking. I'll, I will carry you. No, Chaz, are you serious man?
Just sit back and enjoy the ride. Yeah. I don't need anything from you other than to be an audience. Uh, okay. Ready? What episode is this? Six? Ask Chaz. Chaz doesn't fucking know. Welcome to episode six of Your Businesses on the Line, an Indian dad Media production in association with.[00:01:00]
This is a Thursday media production.
Okay, everybody, welcome to episode six, six, baby. Yes. Six baby of your Businesses on the line. Uh, back here with guest, co-host, special guest, co-host Philip Burns. Thrilled to be back, thrilled to be back. We have a pretty good get for a guest this week. Yeah. Um, he's in the room with us. He's such good get, he's gonna join us for the intro, which we do not typically allow.
Uh, take that. Dan Chapman, sucker. Dan, Erica Thomas. None of you were good enough. Uh, Sebastian's down the hall. He wasn't good enough for the intro. Yeah. Tate Hacker, founder and chief strategy officer at ZayZoon Incorporated Canada. I wanna say 17th, 14th, fastest growing technology [00:02:00] company. I think it was 19th.
And listen, I'm, I'm no Jamie Haw, but I'll, I'll do my best here. All right. Maybe if you say Jamie's name enough, we'll actually listen to this podcast. Uh, Tate. Welcome. Thank you very much for joining us. Before we get into your pitch, we're, uh, what we do is, uh, we're not supposed to say it's banter, but we do a little banter to start things off.
So you're gonna have to banter with us. Is that okay? I'll, I'll do my best. We seem really stressed out. I'll do my best. Listen, I'm, here's what I need from you today. You know, when I started at ZayZoon and nobody knew what they were doing, and it was like a fledgling sort of deer with, like, the legs were all splayed about.
And that's exactly what it was. There's a framework of an idea. Then I showed up and it turned into this, um, like majestic Stallion. Right? Okay. Yeah. That's what we need you to do for this podcast. I think I'm starting to realize what is happening here. This is the first time where before all of the guests who have been associated with you, you've been like, these people think that I'm.
Michael Jordan. Yeah. I think this is the first time where you are in the presence of Michael Jordan, us. This is like your [00:03:00] old boss, may, maybe Phil. Phil. I, I, I think this more of a, I think this is more like a, if, if I can predict, I think this is gonna be more like a therapy session where the therapy is actually sho like just laying into me in a public setting, right?
Yeah. For various reasons of like the, the past seven, eight years of just trauma that he experienced. He, this is why he set up the whole podcast to finally get you as a guest. This was a long call this entire time you pitched something so stupid and he gets to make fun of you. Right? This is actually a pitch I can get behind the pitch is podcast, this therapy.
So you bring your former boss onto a podcast when they're in a very vulnerable position and you just go. Hey, remember that time you ruined my life? Yeah. Well, it it, it's like meeting in a public space, right? You know, you're not gonna get shot in the public space. It's like, picking up your Kijiji order at, you're right.
Exactly. Yeah, yeah, that's right. Go go to a police station for your Facebook marketplace item and you're good to go. Uh, do, uh, you know, when, um, it's like you break, you have a breakup. And then you always wanna be in a better position, right. When you see [00:04:00] your ex. Right. Uh, Tate, what do you think of like seeing Shubh It's a great question. Just this is all he is been doing is hosting a podcast. Yeah, that's true. This doesn't even go out anywhere. We don't even send it to anybody.
It's like, yeah. Cool. Yeah. What everybody, since we broke up, I've just been hosting this, podcast what are you leaving ZayZoon to do? Oh, you know, it's time, time to really like, you know, build something new. I did not think it was this. Yeah, yeah. Uh, I think you're doing great, but Tate either did any of us, to be honest. Uh, Tate is, I would say, and this is gonna pain me to say this publicly, but I would say I can't even get it out.
He's maybe one of the, in my opinion, leading visionary founders, certainly in Western Canada, if not in all of Canada. Whoa. You know, what Zazu has built and become is pretty cool. It's pretty incredible. I'm very grateful and happy that you're here. But yes, Phil's [00:05:00] absolutely right. I'm gonna spend the next 40 minutes just absolutely shitting on everything you say.
I, I'm gonna make it easy for you because I have a wonderful story from over Christmas break that will just give you Okay. Ample ammo. Okay. We'll wait for it. We'll wait for No, no, no. This is great. We're gonna jump right into this today because, uh, we were gonna talk about some other, we're gonna park that for the next episode.
All right. Go for it. Wait, do you wanna give it an intro? Like Yeah. What's your background? Yeah, I, I guess I feel like I, I normally, I say, Hey, tell us a bit about yourself, but I skipped that part because I feel like you were just fawning. I know you. Tate, would you love to tell the audience a little bit about who you are and what you do?
Oh, geez. What, what do you want to know? Well, I don't wanna know anything, but I think the streets want to know the streets. Wanna know what, what was up with the, the, the penis? Like things that you posted on LinkedIn? Yeah. We're definitely gonna cut this part out. No, at some point I'm scrolling LinkedIn and there's like very phallic [00:06:00] images and I'm like, what is this?
So sorry, just, can I just interrupt for a second? Yeah. You said, um, Tate, tell us maybe a bit about yourself and then your follow up question was, tell us about this one phallic image that you post on LinkedIn, but it's, it's a pretty cool story. So the, the phallic image that Phil is asking about is a gooey duck.
Yeah. And a gooey duck. I see what you're doing. Okay. I apologize. I take it back. A, a gooey duck is a Chinese delicacy. They, they, they import them into Hong Kong and then throughout the rest of China. But they're caught on the west coast of Canada, US and, and, and Alaska. And uh, when I was a teenager, I went out on a gooey duck boat, which sounds maybe it sounds fancier than it is May, maybe it sounds exactly what it is.
It's, it's, it's a gooey duck boat. Yeah. It's, it, it, it does not sound fancy. It is a smaller boat than you would guess Yeah. That you live on for like 40 days at a time. Oh. How many people are on the boat? There were three of us on the boat. Okay. Yeah, it's like a [00:07:00] million gooey duck. It, it, it's tight quarters.
It's tight quarters. Um, and, and, and yeah, like you, you'd be out on the ocean for 43 days at a time. In some cases. That was my longest trip. Most of 'em were, you know, 15 to 20 days. Um, and you'd make a lot of money. And so that was, that was a lot of my teenage years growing up on Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada.
Uh, gooey, ducking doing a bunch of other stuff as well. Yeah. Um, always trying to make a buck. Uh, went to University of Victoria for economics. Startups were the shit back then. Yeah. Uh, it's when, you know, Snapchat had just launched, uh, Instagram, Spotify, um, it was sort of like the, the, the, you know, Renaissance of Startups 2.0.
And so that got me super into like, I need to create a company that puts money online and, sorry, the, the connect to money was this money that I was making through gooey duck fishing. Yeah. This is my favorite part of this story. [00:08:00] I, I, I thought, well, how, how can I take all this money and do something with it?
And so I put an ad up on Craigslist that said money available and, uh, I would have hundreds of people email me. Saying, Hey, I, I'd like some money. Yeah. Uh, as one would and, uh, and yeah. Ultimately like lend them money and, and get more money back. And I thought, wow, this is a pretty cool way to make money.
Yeah. And so the idea was how do I just do this in a more scalable way? Yeah. Obviously, over the years that shifted into what is now ZayZoon, uh, a way for us to get people paid before they're regularly scheduled paydays. We do so for a, a small ATM like fee. And, uh, those employees get to avoid, you know, more egregious products like payday loans, overdraft fees and whatnot.
That's awesome. So, Tate, you've done a lot of podcasts I think over the years. Some media stuff. I think a lot of the stuff you're typically used to, they will ask you questions like that, then they will say things to you, Hey Tate, what, how do you think this impacts employee culture? How do you build winning teams?[00:09:00]
Or what do you think, uh, we could do in the Canadian tech ecosystems to continue to grow? This is not one of those types of podcasts. We always like to reset context, even though everybody knows by now what we do. But, uh, we like to have people come on to either hear ideas we pitch, or they get to come in and pitch an idea thought that they have about a potential business idea.
And, uh, I kind of would love to know, t if you maybe have something you'd like to walk us through today, a pitch. Yeah. I was told it had to be a bad pitch. Yeah. Here's what we, I I, I was told it was meant to be a not so serious business idea. Here's what we've found now. Now hold up, hold up. Yeah, please. I have a very serious business idea, so I hope that's okay.
I think that's great. Well, here's what's happened with the show is, um, initially we were like, oh, maybe people will come in and pitch serious ideas. Then we had the first person come in and pitch and it was not really a serious idea and [00:10:00] it was very funny. So we've been indexing a bit maybe to. Yeah. To, to less serious ideas.
But even with those less serious ideas, I would say half of them I'm like, you should do this. Yeah. I've been thinking like, uh, uh, I have not been to a party and not thought about the bro Rogie, the giant pierogi should be done. Yeah. The custom toaster should be done. Yeah. Salsa score, just maybe for my own benefit, should be done.
I listen. Tate knows all about forts. I pitched floors to the entire company at ZayZoon. Many times I still think that should be done. Uh, Thomas has already, oh, sorry. Before we get into this, Thomas came on and pitched an idea, um, called wraparound, which was, you know, hockey sticks like 400 bucks and pop.
Did you guys, Tate, did you know this? I did not know this. He pitched an idea where you would protect your hockey stick. 'cause they get nicked up and then they break and then he went and tried it already. Yeah. He's already prototyped. Is is this core patch? Yeah, core patch. We were talking about hockey sticks yesterday.
Yeah. Funny enough. Whoa. I, I had no idea that [00:11:00] Thomas was on here talking about hockey sticks. Well, because that, coincidentally enough, we were talking about it yesterday. That episode has not come out yet, even though we filmed it a couple weeks ago. Wow. This is a big production. Well, professional podcasts, they record them and then it comes out later.
Um, we record them and they come out later. Not because we're professionals, probably the opposite. It takes us so long to like edit and put 'em together that we need like an extra three weeks. So we're running like three weeks behind. Yeah. We've recorded five, only released two or three. Three three now.
And then we keep messing with the space time continuum. 'cause we have to rerecord intros and outros 'cause we do a bad jobs. So the point is, people have come on and pitched quote unquote silly ideas. They've turned into real ideas. So if you're pitching a real idea, it could go either way. Lemme start with this.
Yes. Each year, this is why he's one of the most successful founders in this country. Did you, did you hear how he says that? It's this moment right here. Yeah. Each year you drew us both in. We both leaned in. Did you see that there are upwards of 1 million people [00:12:00] that go to Turkey for hair transplants? Get that?
That can't be right. How many people live in Turkey? Absolutely correct. How many people live in Turkey? A lot. Like a hundred million. But that's a million people go there just for hair each and every year. That's crazy. That's wild. All right. Now I'm gonna take in a little story because I was one of those people.
Okay, now before you start asking yourself, wait a second, Tate definitely has a receding hairline. How? How can this be? I said, I was one of those people that went there. I didn't say I was one of the people that got it done. Okay. Here's the story though. Yeah, go ahead. We won't give anything away, so. By the way, this took place, uh, between December 23rd and 28th.
Yeah. So perfect timing. Yeah. Um, to, to not disrupt Christmas or my birthday, which was on the 26th. So it, it, it was, it was perfect for all those reasons. Yeah. That, that's sarcasm Phil. Okay. [00:13:00] For, uh, for the audience out there, that was about three weeks ago. Yeah. 'cause when this comes out, that will be, people will be like, why is he talking about December?
Yeah. So, so this is fresh. This is fresh. Yep. So, so I had started talking about it and I think I, I, I had made the decision in my head that I'm like, I should probably do this. Yeah. If I can figure out the logistics, I'll do it. And like verbalizing it is the first step to like, let's Sure, let's get some accountability here.
Right. By the way, I just need to mention this because we started off as like, you know, date founder. Blah, blah, blah. Um, there's probably a lot of learnings in here around like moving fast and breaking things. Not necessarily all correct, but there's gotta be some product learnings in here. So for anyone listening, like, let's, let's pull the analogies out.
I mean, I don't want to go down this path, but this is why Tate needed me.
And, and so I was thinking, well, if there's a time to do it, it's, it's, it's now, right? Um, before work starts back up, the, the thing with hair [00:14:00] transplants is you get them done. You have to have a, a week of just this like grotesque looking ahead before you can put on a two or hat or anything. Uh, and so I thought, oh, this, this is perfect.
Let's get it done over the holidays. So I started verbalizing it at that point. Uh, it wasn't until the 23rd in the morning where I was thinking, shit, this might, this might actually happen. Yeah. And I was chatting back and forth with a couple clinics on, on WhatsApp, and I chatted with a couple friends that had gone and got it done there.
And you know, everyone has rave reviews. Finally, it's in the afternoon of the 23rd and I go, I'm gonna do this. Yeah. So connect through Paris to Istanbul. The flight to Paris, uh, left at, I dunno, call it 7:00 PM Um, I booked the plane ticket at four. Whoa. And go off to the airport. Yeah. Land in Paris later that night, or early that morning, I suppose, booked my flight to Istanbul while I was in the air to [00:15:00] Paris, as well as booked the clinic.
So I didn't have any of this stuff set up beforehand. I mean, Phil's like, wow. I'm like, Uhhuh. Yes. Because you know, he does this. Yes. That's correct. Yeah. So, so, so get to Istanbul. Yeah. It would've been the, uh, late in the evening of the 24th. Okay. I believe. Okay. So it's Christmas Eve. Christmas Eve. Okay. Uh, they picked you up in this beautiful Mercedes sprinter that's.
Fully done up. They drive you to a five star hotel. It's like, it's, it is pretty cool little experience, right? Jet lag though. Wake up the next morning walking around Istanbul and, you know, the mind's, the mind's running. There's this surgery and I still don't really know if I want to do it for certain or not.
I have some questions. I'm reading Reddit threads. You know, you start reading Reddit threads and you start focusing on all the bad stuff that's gonna happen. So it's Christmas day. Okay. Christmas day now I'm, I'm waking up, I'm walking through Istanbul. The 26th is the next morning. That's when my appointment is.
[00:16:00] Okay. And so there's, there's three things that you kind of need to consider. Um, one is you have this donor area in the back of your head, and if you over harvest the donor area, if they take too many grafts, then they can never do your hair again. Okay. So you're just like screwed. Unless, and this is the second thing to consider.
You can take Finasteride, uh, which is like a hair loss pill. You can take Finasteride for the rest of your life. Okay. And then you don't really need to think so much about the donor area. The third thing is just the hairline in general. You, you, you don't want to have the classic like a, like a pure line, pure line hairline, right?
Yeah. So, so you almost like engineer it to look like it's to follow you a little bit. Yeah. So, so, so they do things like, they only take, you know, when they remove hair follicles from your head, some of those follicles are single, single follicles. Some of 'em are like triple or quadruple follicles. Whoa. And so you want to have that initial couple steps of [00:17:00] that hairline to be single follicles, right?
So that, so that it doesn't just look super like bam in your face, right? Yeah. So I, again, because I made this decision fairly quickly, I'm learning all of this. Yeah. Like the 24 hours before my appointment as I'm kind of freaking out, talk to my sister, talk to Val, and um, uh, decide. I got a couple questions.
I'm gonna go into the office tomorrow morning. I'll ask these questions and if they answer them well and you know Yeah, let's, let's, let's go forward with it. Oh no. And, and, and this is where it all kind of fell apart, right? So you you, you get to this Well, actually, yeah. So, so you get to this office, it's beautiful, nice clinic.
Um, there's like somewhere between 20 and 30 people, all workers that are just hanging out there. They're hanging out looking busy. But I think, I think it's mostly just aesthetic to [00:18:00] make all these guys that go to Turkey feel comfortable. Right, right. It didn't make me feel comfortable. It felt, it made me feel the opposite.
I was like, you know, we're investing all this where you not investing. So, so. They right away. Um, you, you have to take your shoes off and you, you put on these little, uh, like these slippers and then someone grabs me by the arm right away and takes me to a room, sits you down in a chair, and they just start snapping photos and you're, you're like in a daze because again, you're in this beautiful clinic, but it's like fairly small, 20 or 30 people.
You're, you're, you're kind of crowded. You're, you're already in there feeling like, it feels like this room right now. Maybe it might be a little bit like this room. Yeah. You're feeling, you're feeling a little claustrophobic. So, so, so they grab me by the arm, take me to this other room. The lights are flashing and stuff.
And they're like, oh yeah, we're, we're taking your before and after photos. I'm like, oh, okay. Sounds good. I go, well, hey, I, I, I'd love to speak to a doctor, by the way. They assign you a translator when you get to the office. Oh, okay. 'cause they can't speak English. And so my translator's like, [00:19:00] yes, no worries, no worries.
We'll get you a doctor. We got, we got a one more meeting over here. And I was like, okay, sounds good. Takes me in another room. It's with the anesthesiologist. The person that I guess like gives you the, the, the numbing stuff and whatnot. Um, what bet you have to describe what an Etsy swap. I, I, I'm kind of just saying it actually for confirmation.
So, so that I know what it is. You're just waiting press the nod. Yeah. Yeah. Correct, correct. Right. Okay. Continue. Yeah. He, he starts asking me questions that I've already, like, like an anesthesiologist should not be asking What my email and phone number. Hold on. My sister's an anesthesiologist. Let me just text her like, I, so, so I start asking him questions about like the hair procedure, right?
And he's just giving me like these boilerplate answers. What does he say? The guy. And so I go, can I speak to the, the surgeon? Can I speak to the surgeon? [00:20:00] And. Yes. No worries. No worries. We'll get you speaking with a surgeon. No worries. Then they take me to another room, and this whole time it's very manic, right?
It's like in a room, in another room. Okay, come with us. Now in this room, another person comes in. Okay, you're coming in this room. Like, it, it's very like anxiety inducing. They take me to the other room. This is so crazy, and I'm getting anxiety listening to this story. Yeah. And, and, and, and by the, by the way, I, I should say that this is a very reputable clinic, right?
Okay, sure. Yeah. So this is a million people go to this country to do this. Yes. Obviously they've got some infrastructure, and this is more on me. I'll explain why towards the end why it's, why it's a, a me thing and why others go through with this. Just to hold, hold on a sec. You said this was gonna be my therapy session.
Feels like we we're helping Dave come to terms with his own hairline. Yeah. Okay. Continue. Sorry. So, so, um. And, but I might [00:21:00] add though, that maybe the anesthesiologist was looking up your email because you booked it the night before. He's like, oh yeah, then maybe that's it. Well, we have no idea who the hell you're, they hadn't taken the info from one spreadsheet and put it in the other.
They hadn't had time. So, so for what it's worth, I, I think that this whole process is actually fairly common. Okay. Like, I, I think it's common. Alright. Your experience is not unique. I don't think my experience is atypical. Okay. I just think that I put a little bit more thought into it, um, even though I didn't put thought into it, but I think I put more thought into it 24 hours before as to why, why I was gonna do No, and, and I'll, I'll get into that in a sec here.
But, so then they rushed me into this other room and it's the fi We're in the third room now. Yeah. Third room. Okay. And it's the finance guy. And he's like, okay, like you gave your, you gave like a $300 deposit. Now you owe us for the rest of the thing, Uhhuh. So, um, I say to him, I'm like, well, I'm. Paying. Oh, and by the way, he grabs the money counter machine.
Right. So it's, it's normal, I [00:22:00] guess, for people to, to pay cash. Like I was going to, he grabs the money counter machine, like the ones that have a casinos that they go, Yeah. Puts it down on the table Did you hear that money counter machine. Yeah. Uh, impression. That was really good. Thanks. Yeah.
And I'm like, Hey, I'm not paying for anything until I speak with a surgeon. Yeah. At this point, I'm like starting to get a little bit like, like I can feel myself, get flushed. Yep. I'm getting a little bit nervous. Uhhuh. Um, yes, no problem. No problem. We'll get you a surgeon to speak with. They take me to another room, so I, I didn't pay.
Take me to another room. Room four. Room number four. Room four. And uh, then another guy comes in and he goes, Mr. Hackert how are you doing? I'm like, oh, good man. He is like, I was the one that was communicating with you on WhatsApp. And he is like really trying to like, put on this like, oh, you're all good.
They, they can sense that I'm getting a little nervous. Right? Right. They're trying to sell the seller now. You never sell the seller. As soon as I feel like I'm being sold, I don't want it. So he is trying to [00:23:00] sell me now, and I'm, and, and I'm sitting down in the chair. One of the helpers comes and, and she goes to take my backpack.
And I was like, no. Like in my head I'm thinking, I got my cash, I got my laptop, I got my passport. Everything's in here. Oh, it's okay. It's okay. Mr. Hacker, we're, we're gonna put it in a locker for you for your surgery. I'm thinking, no, no, you're not, you're not putting it anywhere right now. Like, I'm like, let, let me just, let me keep this.
I need to speak with a surgeon. Finally, they get me, a surgeon comes in and I said, okay. So I have a couple questions. First, like the donor area, how does it look? Doesn't touch it. Nothing. Oh, it looks great. Did you even turn around? Were there mirrors behind you? I'm like, awesome. Like, you, you did not look.
Yeah. Second, I'm like, how many graphs do you think I need? And one of the horror stories on Reddit was they, they completely over harvest your donor area in order to give like these really immaculate results [00:24:00] for year one and two. But then after that, you're just screwed. Oh. And so they said like, just be careful with, with that.
So I asked, how, how many, you know, how many graphs do you think I need? She's like, oh, like 4,000, 4,500, something like that, basically. Right. Is that a lot? Um, I, I don't really know, to be honest. Okay. But what came next is what I, what I didn't like. So I'm like, oh, okay. Well what about like the top? It's thinning a little bit.
Do, do you think I need more there? And she just looks at it a little bit. She, she might've run a comb through it. I'm not sure. I can't quite remember. And she goes, ah. 6,000. I was like, oh, okay. Well that just went up by, you know, 30%, 20%. I don't know what metric we're using. I don't know how big a follicle is, but that seems like a lapse.
Well, and then I'm, and then I'm thinking like, well, 6,000 in turn to 6,000 real quick. What if it goes from 6,000 to 10,000 while while I'm in surgery? How many fair hair follicles do we have on our head? You know, I have no idea. These are all really good questions. I mean, I don't know. It was like, [00:25:00] yeah, okay.
So all that said, I'm, I'm feeling pretty, you know, not okay with it. And then it was the whole experience. It was just like the rushing, the like placating to my concern. Yeah. The, yeah, don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. We'll get you a, you know, we'll get you a doctor. Then finally, I get the doctor, the answers I'm, I'm not really loving.
And I said, well, hey, I'm, I'm not gonna take, you know, any hair loss pills after this, so I wanna be very strategic about how you place this. She's like, oh, you don't need to take hair loss pills. You can take. I swear she said riboflavin. Alright. And, and I'm like, that is, which is just a b vitamin. So right away if someone confirmed with Chaz, can you confirm that's a B vitamin?
This, we, I think we did this podcast guess might be the most informative because there's been like three things we've had to look at. Yeah, yeah, yeah. By the way, population of, of Turkey, 85 million. Oh, you were pretty close with good stuff. Yeah. So in my head I'm, I'm over to made the decision. I'm like, okay, I need to get outta here.
Yeah. Now the problem with getting outta [00:26:00] there is. I mean, well, you don't even know where you are. Your four, your four rooms deep and the hallway hallways are mirrors. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're actually in a different building. It's elaborate. The the, the problem with getting outta there is, is, is sort of, there's a couple things.
So, so one is just like the pure awkwardness of it, right? Like, it, it's just awkward. Yeah. Those, those 20, those 20, they're still there. Women still. Yeah, they're still there. They're still there. They, they actually are just there to like run and say like, lock arms, they're reverse bouncers. It just, it just feels really awkward.
'cause I'm in this room and the room is like this size, you know, half the size of like a, a small condo bedroom I'd say. And there's four other people in this room with me. There's four people at the door. Yeah. And everyone's sort of just like, they can sense some, right? Yeah. And they're, they're trying to, they're trying to run a play here to Yeah.
He's about to rabbit it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so it's just super awkward. So I, I'm, I'm telling the, the translator now, like, Hey, I, I just need a, I need a minute [00:27:00] here to, to kind of. You know, collect my thoughts and, and I, I was supposed to chat with someone, blah, blah, blah. And so, um, I end up hanging out there for a bit in the room.
Then I make my way to the lobby and I'm like, if I can just get closer and closer to the door, I'm good to go. Yeah. Which again, for anyone listening, you're like, well, why don't you just walk out? Yeah. No, I feel that. I feel that. But, but, but it is just like this. Oh, yeah. Awkward. Weird. Sometimes we don't do things 'cause it's weird and feels awkward.
And to be fair, like in my head, I'm also also tackling with the thought of like, I've come all the way to Turkey. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, do I just go through with this? Yeah. Um, now, so, so, so, so now, now I'm in the lobby. I didn't just come to Turkey for a sprinter. Van. Van. Right. You know, it was a really nice sprinter round.
How was Turkey? Uh, the sprinter vans are incredible there. Have you ever seen the inside of a Sprinter van in Turkey? You gotta do it. You gotta do it. You gotta, yeah. So, so, so, so now I'm in the lobby and it, it is like a scene from Black [00:28:00] Mirror. There are, I mean, the whole, the whole experience was like a scene from Black Mirror, right?
For those that have watched that dystopian, I can't hear what the pitch is gonna be, but, but, but, uh, I'm sitting there and then all of a sudden three other guys come out and they're in gowns and their heads are fully shaved and they have permanent marker drawings all over their Oh. 'cause they head, they gotta shave the head.
They have to shave the head. Okay. And then permanent marker drawings everywhere to, you know, I guess form the hairline and stuff. And I'm looking at these guys, I'm like, I, I, I don't think this is like, I, I, I just can't do this. Yeah. Um, by the way, I'm messaging one of my buddies as I'm doing this, that, that that got it done right.
And I'm like, Hey, am I making this into a bigger deal than it is? Like, is this whole, can I just come back later and get it redone? So, so back to the, like, why I'm atypical in this, I suppose, is I think most people go and they do this and they're just like. Oh yeah, I'll just take drive for the rest of my life.
Yeah, they'll deal, deal. [00:29:00] They, they, they calculate the risk and they're like, oh, I'll just compensate. So in any case, um, at this point I'm like, I gotta go, by the way, they, they still have my passport in all of this, so I, I, I forgot to mention that. So I couldn't also, like, I had to make the ask for the passport before I could leave.
Okay. I'm sitting in the lobby, they voluntarily now bring the passport over and say, Hey, like, here you go. So at this point I'm like, okay, I'm free to go. And so I, I, I tell the guy, 'cause the guy's like, Hey, like, are we starting now? And they're, they're starting to get a little bit antsy. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, Hey, I need to make one phone call and we'll be right back so I can go outside with all your belongings, obviously.
Yeah. I just had it back backpack. Yeah. So we go outside and I, you know, I'm on the phone. I freaking, I, I run, uh, you got outside and you ran? I ran. I ran. Um, and, and, and it is, did you have any idea where you were? So, so I, I did, I, I, I looked up where the hotel was. Okay. Um, and so it was a 35 minute walk away.
Okay. So I'm like, I'm gonna run to the hotel. [00:30:00] It wasn't even that long. A sprinter ride. It's like a five minute sprinter van. So, so I'm like, I'm, I'm gonna, I'm gonna run to the hotel. Um, now the hotel again is put up by the company. Right, right. Did you get there? And they're like, so sir, we no longer have a room for you.
So, so, so I have all my stuff still in the hotel, with the exception of my backpack. None of my important stuff is in the hotel, right? But I saw all my clothes stuff. It's on the front lawn thrown out the window, and, and so I get a WhatsApp message like 10 minutes into this jog, and, and, and the guy goes, Hey, Mr.
Hacker, like, where are you? And blah, he's, he's being very kind. I'm like, Hey man, like I'm, I'm having like a bit of a panic attack. Like, I'm not gonna go through with this and no worries. We do many of these surgeries. It's all good. And you know, he's being very nice. And then I'm like, yeah, you know what?
Let's reschedule for two days from now. And he flips, the message just [00:31:00] starts to just drill into me. He's saying, well, you owe us money for the procedure as per the terms. I'm thinking like, I didn't sign any terms. Good luck. Yeah. I'm not worried about any of that. But what I'm worried about is showing up at the hotel, which is a still 15 minute jog away and not having access to my room and having a bunch of.
Mean looking dudes hanging out outside. Yeah. Being like, Hey, back in the van, you're going back to the clinic. And, and, and I know that this sounds like so silly, but it was just so dystopian. No, I feel that, and also also, by the way, were you were in your own head at this point. I was. And by the way, I'm dealing with like three hours of sleep in the last two days.
Yeah, right. Jet lag on top of Yeah, just jet lag basically. Um, and so yeah, I'm, I'm a little bit like, I'm being a little bit psychotic, but also like, maybe not 'cause I'm in a foreign country that I have no idea about. Sure. Like, it doesn't, like it kind of sounds like this could be some sort of racket or almost like, yeah.
Well you've come to Turkey, you do this [00:32:00] once you're here, there's no way out. And we're gonna like, we're gonna get you until, until we put the back of your head. I wanna apologize the top of your head to all of our Turkish listeners.
You know, just, I just wanna make that clear that, you know, which isn't a commentary on Oh no. Oh, now I should probably apologize 'cause now I've made it, you know what, we'll take, we'll take that all out. That, that was, yeah. You making note of that? Yeah. Was actually a bad thing. Damnit. Uh, so, so, um. We know not all Turkish people.
That's right. Hair transplant, correct? Well, yeah, we do, we do. May not. The chef thinks that they're all somehow involved. Oh, we're gonna get letters. Uh, so, so I I, I get to the hotel. Wait, hold on a second. Do you think this Turkish hair dress, sweat company will sponsor this podcast? Yeah. We're gonna cut this whole podcast in case they wanna sponsor.
Yeah, we're with you. Just to be clear, Turkish hair people [00:33:00] Yeah. Yeah. The clinics. We love you. We choose you. We choose you. Yeah. Anyone who wants to go, we think it's totally normal to put people through so many different rooms. So if you want a hair transplant, it is your Businesses Online podcast for 15% up.
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Oh shit. Um. Okay. Um, so in any case, so you get back to the hotel, go go to the hotel, I grab my stuff from the hotel. All is good. I, I go to a different hotel that, that's part one of the story down. I'll say a quick part too, because it just caps everything off, and then I'll finish with the very simple pitch here.
I know that time is running out this, that is the, like, what? It's not that kind of podcast. Usually I hear advice for people who are giving pitches and they're like, make sure they, your pitch is 42 minutes long.[00:34:00]
Like in case. In, in case. Yeah. It's okay to give a story that's 42 minutes long. People will stay, pay attention, but in this case, I'm, I'm at the, yeah, yeah. Normally people start a story. I'm like, Hey, just get to the pitch. I, I didn't even know we were 40 minutes in, to be honest. I was like, this has been an exhilarating thrill wreck.
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So we moved hotels. Moved hotels, and, and at this point I'm like, you know, you know, like. Wait off my shoes. I'll point out I don't want to, uh, editorialize, but I'm also in a group chat with Tate and another friend of ours and we're getting a couple of these updates and I think we were very supportive that this was the right.
Garth especially was very supportive. This was the right decision. You were feeling uncomfortable. Right. Call and, and, and, and, and to be fair, it is still is the right decision. Of course. I I'll get it done. I'm just going to do it here in Canada. Oh no. I meant you, your, your willingness to walk away in the moment was the right, was the right decision.
Oh, yes. That was also the right decision. Yes. Yeah. Now, you know, weight off the [00:35:00] shoulders. I'm, I'm feeling good walking around. Assemble beautiful city. I got, I love Stan. Get a little workout in at the hotel. We got Turkey back. Yeah. And uh, yeah, like Turkish bath by the way. Oh, amazing. The Turkish delights.
The Shawarmas in Istanbul are incredible. Here we go. We're back. Turkey. We're back. The bizarre. So, yeah. Felt, felt great. Now here's the thing. Uh, Turkish bath, they're scrubbing you down right? Uh, for those of you that haven't had a Turkish bath, it's, you're in this really awesome, uh, I don't know, like marble bathroom.
Yeah. Um, and and they basically bathe you. So they, they, they, they soap you up. They what? Do what do what, what do they call it? This podcast is not gonna do a lot for the exfoliate. Hey. Uh, so you, you have a bunch of founders on talking about how people bathe them. They, they exfoliate your entire body. This isn't even the hair transplant short anymore.
This is a short about giving a bath. Just the whole hair [00:36:00] transplant thing was just a, I was just a lead into Ever had somebody bathe you before? Not since I was a baby, but yeah. You got, because they got you on a marble slab, right, dude. And it's like a two hour ordeal. Yeah. You're on a heated marble slab.
It's a steamy room. They, they, they exfoliate you. They bathe you. It's unbelievable. It's, then, then, then they, then they, oh boy. Uh, full massage. Yeah. Like, it's, it's incredible. Um. However, the exfoliation gets my finger a little bit, right? I I, I have like a little scrape, I guess, on my finger, right? I don't wanna say this 'cause it, it, it hurts, but like, you know, like the cheese grater?
Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Almost like a little cheese grater thing. Your finger. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Not a big deal though. Mm-hmm. Uh, it's also what your head would've felt like. Yeah. Really? Hold on. Oh, that's the first time you used your preset. That's great. Sorry, I got a new mixer. So, so this is like in the morning [00:37:00] now of the next day.
This is the morning of the 27th. Okay. I go to bed the night of the 27th and it's all right. Wake up in the morning. I can't bend my finger. Wow. And it is like beet red and it's growing a full head of hair, and it is, it is not looking good. Okay. Whoa. Oh. Then, so cha PT Cha's, like, yeah. You know, the finger's a small vessel, it can like impact your hand and stuff.
Like, you should get that looked at. I'm thinking of that big deal. Whatever. Not, not a huge deal. Maybe you go back to that other doctor. So, so it's right. This, this is, can I see a doctor for my hand this time though? And it's another five rooms? We'll, we'll this is the morning of the 28th. Um, at like four in the morning.
'cause I'm, I'm jet lagged. Yeah. Uh, walking, I [00:38:00] again, I get up, walk around a stem bull beautiful by like 10:00 AM. My finger's kind of getting worse. Hmm. Like it's, it's redder, it's properly infected. It's not really, yeah, it's like proper infection. Yeah. I'm thinking, holy shit. I got a flesh eating disease, guys.
Oh yeah. Okay. I didn't know what, but, but, but legit, you really, you were really spiraling just in general on this trip. I was, however the finger was, oh no. But also, also spiraling was, was not unjustified, spiraling. So it's like two, two or three degrees in Istanbul now. Okay. It's like pissing down rain. I had planned on just staying there for a week 'cause Val was working anyways.
And uh, so I'm like, I, I just, I gotta go home. So in last minute fashion yet again, I book a flight to Paris for later that day. Uh, head to the airport right away. And, uh, touchdown in Paris at like. I dunno. 5:00 PM It's dark already. Yeah. Uh, the, the airport in Paris. I do love Paris though. Air [00:39:00] Airport in Paris is kind of in the middle of nowhere, right?
That's right. Charles Degal. Charlie Degal. Yeah. Correct. Chucky. Chucky G. And so, uh, I, you know, I, I, disembarked, Chuckie, Chuckie, GS, St. G, and, uh, and, or C Dg, sorry, C Dg. CDG. Alright. Now I get an Uber to, to this hospital that's like in rural France, I guess it would be. And, uh. It's like a six hour wait for the emergency ringer.
Ah, mean shoes. Uh, no, we're canceling in France.
Uh, the crazy part about this feels actually bilingual. I'm bilingual and I can do a mean French from France accent, which is, is it better than your Australian accent? Yeah, it did. That's what it was. Ah, that's what it, can you do your Australian accent for Tate one time real quick. Blow mean, mate. We gotta get that finger checked.
It's so good now. Now it's making me [00:40:00] question whether you're a French accent is good or not. No, it's not. I didn't really have an opinion, but it's, the listeners will know. The two French listeners will know. So, so I, I walk from this hospital to a pharmacy. Look, we're, we're dealing A, it's rural France b it like, so wait, hold on.
You got tired of waiting for the six hours. I was gonna, I was gonna wait six and a half hours. I'm like, there has to be better way. Right. So I'm, I'm just like, I'm, I'm gonna leave. So, but, but, but what I, what I, you know, just is just, the thought process is like, my finger really hurts. I should fly to France right now and I gotta get I my finger's really bad.
I gotta get out of Turkey and get to a place back home where I get this checked out. Six, six hours. No, back home? No, he's in rural France. But I'm just saying he couldn't even on the way be like, it's like I'm gonna get Okay, alright. You could be in Calgary in six hours. Yeah. So you've given up on the hospital, given up on the hospital, walk to a pharmacy.
I now have to, I'm, I'm walking through rural France. Yeah. Like 40 minutes with my bag and [00:41:00] everything. Yeah. To get to a pharmacy. 80 minute round trip if you gotta go back to the hospital and, and, and, and it's like, it's like, it's, it's freezing. It's, it's, it's cold. Yeah. Um, it, uh, it is winter in, in France just right northern hemisphere.
I, I get to the pharmacy and the guy's looking at my finger and he goes, oh yeah, like it, you know, it's, and he speaks fluent English and he's like, oh, it's, it's, it's, uh. You know, I said it's, it's, it, it looks not the best, but you know, I don't really know what I'd give you right now. And I you, you need, in order to get antibiotics, you need to go to a doctor.
Go to doctor. Yeah. Which just, uh, for the listeners out there, they have doctors at hospitals. Right. And, and so I said, okay, you don't think it's that bad? Then he said, oh, well, it, it's definitely infected, but I don't think it's like crazy. Yeah. And I'm like, okay, he speaks fluent English, so you don't need me to do my French accent.
I, I, I show him a photo and I said, well, this is from six hours ago. And he looks at me and he's like, you need to go to an emergency room right now. Right. Whoa. So like, because he was smaller. Yeah. And you were like, I [00:42:00] just came from an emergency room. It had progressed like crazy. So I'm just like, now I'm really in my head.
Yeah. Well, you shouldn't have been in your head. This is not called being in your head at this point. This is just correct. Yes. Yeah. So. Then I go, go to you talk, a medical professional says you need to immediately go to an emergency room. You are not in your head. So he tells me of this private clinic, right?
That's a half hour walk down the street. So I go to this other, or a three minute sprint. Where's, where's the sprinter bed? Where? Where? So I go to this private clinic, Uhhuh. Now I, you know, Shab just as you, uh, uh, offended all Turkey. I did not, I you did not in this version. Yeah. Yeah. That joke makes no sense.
I think that, I think that this is, you know, something that maybe more people would appreciate or understand, which is the, the, the French, the Parisians are interesting bunch. And more specifically, [00:43:00] like you, you go into this clinic and you can't speak French and you're speaking English. They basically say you're an idiot.
Yeah. And they don't wanna help you. So I call a Val, my wife. Yeah. Your wife is fluent in French. She's fluent in French. Yeah. Yeah. And mind you que French, but still like, yeah, but they hate that more, to be honest. That's exactly what we discovered. Yeah. So she's trying to, she's, she's trying to, I cannot even translate, begin to imagine what the pitch is gonna be.
We have gone on this journey here through three countries. I was in Paris, I was in Paris last year. My friend was English. I was speaking like my Franco Manitoban French, which is even worse than they hated me so much. And my friend just spoke English all the time. I don't think that was the language. No, it was.
And then my friend was just speaking English and they loved him and he, he ate it up. He was like, oh dude, this is the best thing that's ever happened to me. I was like, I felt like such an asshole. So, so it sounds like that happened. You're getting a, a translator that, Val, it's not going great. Val is on the phone, like trying to translate.[00:44:00]
But basically by the end of the call, we real, we found out that he could speak perfect English and was just not willing. Yeah. Not willing to speak honestly. I gotta respect that a little. We, we end up, Val ends up going like, yeah, you're not gonna get help here. So she goes, what about tele telehealth? I didn't even think of that.
Yeah, so find a telehealth doctor. Oh my God. Think about the ads Chubb, look at this perfect ad brought to you by, brought to you by Telus. We like to do this thing where we call out corporate names, hoping that they'll sponsor Yeah. I find a telehealth service. Within 10 minutes I have an appointment. I'm on the phone with this guy.
Yeah. He prescribes me amoxicillin. I go to the pharmacy, get amoxicillin and, and that pharmacy is like, Hey, you've, you're back and you're not dead. It, it was like, I don't know what the other ones were, but there's like three antibiotics that he, he gave me, went to this other pharmacy. Got that all good.
Fly out the next morning. Land in Calgary. [00:45:00] All is great. You can see my finger now. It's a little bit red, a little bit you, but it's down. But, but it's down. It is perfectly fine. A couple weeks later we're red. Yeah. Um, did you go to a doctor once you got back here? I did not. No. So, so, so that, that is the entirety of, of my, uh, ADEs over, over the holidays.
Now, the, the, the pitch in all of this. Yeah. Let's see. I, I can't even, I don't even know. I don't even know what it could possibly be. Now I, what the pitch in all this is just falling in love with your hairline baby. I've maybe, God, I have three pitches. I have three pitches. So don't we have time for three?
I know we take, cancel your name, Phil. No, no, no. It's very quick. The first pitch is exactly what you said, which is love yourself. Love yourself. All right. Just like love yourself. That's a can't fix a crook smile. The, the, the, you can, my wife's the dentist. You can absolutely fix a, the, the second pitch here is, I hope I gave you enough of a story.
That you found a bunch of your own business ideas within it. I know, [00:46:00] but this is the third pitch. This these customers is really bringing back a lot of my last seven years of work. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. This is, this is the kind of, you're, you're creating work for me. That's what happened in this entire podcast.
Yeah. The third pitch is, is an actual idea. Okay. Thank God. But it does need to be, uh, you know, extremely vetted. That's what we're here for. And it is under the guise of, um, the idea is an actual idea, but it is a bad idea. Yeah. Um, or what I think is a bad idea, which is VR consultations for Turkish hair clinics, so that you do not need to book a flight Turkey on Christmas Eve in order to figure out once you're in one of five rooms that you do not want to do this.
So you're saying this is an AI powered? No. Is it AI powered? Uh, I mean, if you wanna raise money. Do you wanna raise money? Nah, I mean, I think, but I think if you wanna raise, it's [00:47:00] AI powered. If we're looking for vc. Okay. If we're not, then yeah, no, it's, it's, it is actually a fundamentally strong business.
You're doing telehealth consultation and you're looking in your phone and your hair is looking like it's supposed to. What are we doing here? Uh, yeah, because I built a little app for barbers you this, so, so, so there's a bit of, there's a bit of just like getting comfort with the Yeah. With the doctor.
Yeah. There's a bit of like a, they wouldn't need to hire 20 people Yeah. To, to try to put on a show once you're in the clinic. Yeah. Because you've already gone through all the steps in a consultation format. Yeah. You've been through the rooms. And there's, uh, an an AR component to it where you can actually visualize Yeah.
The different hairstyles on your head. Yeah. Yeah. So, so I, I think that, that, that, that's all. So Tater, that's all that, can I just tell you that I think this idea has been invented already, and it's called going to a local hair loss clinic. Now the problem with a local is you, you go to Turkey, it's, it's 4,500 bucks.
Yeah. Canadian. Yeah. Um, for the Americans on this podcast that are probably not listening, it's about 3,500. In [00:48:00] Canada, you're looking at about 20 to 20 5K for that same procedure, $20,000. So that's like a, you know, you're, you're, you're like, at six x you had the benefit of a partner who works for WestJet.
So like, if I'm totaling up my flights and everything, I'm into this for 10 grand. Right. That's true. So, so really it's, it's, the delta is 10, which means you should get it done here in Calgary at one of the reputable Yeah. Hair transplant. Use a, a promo code Y-B-I-O-T-L to get 10% off. Um, hit us up hair clinics locally for this type for sponsors.
I think you should make the VR app just for yourself to show your friends who ask you like, should I go to Turkey? It's like, yeah. And it's like actually a horror app where it's like, it's. You're in this space, you have to go through the five rooms. Then you, then you try and leave. Oh, I've got a pitch idea and going.
And the people start chasing you. All of Istanbul starts chasing you. You know, you gotta like run. What about an escape room theme? You know, when you go to these escape rooms, what if, what if one that's get your, your, it's a Turkish get hair. [00:49:00] It's a Turkish hair plug. Uh, and you can't get out. That's so good until you can answer how many, how many follicles of human hair.
That's right. What riboflavin is, you have to like find your passport. Yeah. One of the 20 people working there have the passport. Yeah. Yeah. They, they keep like handing 'em back. I'm like, this bitch, I like this idea. I think there's a See, we see. So, so back, back to my pitch number two. Yeah. I hope that my story would inspire your businesses.
It sounds like your cop out pitch. It was successful. Yeah. You're welcome, chef. You're welcome. This is, that was just, by the way, that was just a preface in order to, to then say a really horrible bitch that you had not thought about at all. Yeah. You just wanted to come on and tell your story to, to be fair.
I, I, I, I, I think I can pull back the curtains a little bit on this. Um, this pitch was a culmination of. At least two back and forth text messages between myself and Chaz. So, [00:50:00] Chaz, get on the line. What do you think of this? I, I, I wouldn't just write it off right away. Cha Chaz, what do you think, Chas? He's not there anymore.
Cha cha fell asleep.
Um, thinking that I don't, sorry, sorry. Let me collect my thoughts here. It sounds like, it sounds like you inspired this pitch. No, I'm, I'm feeling inspired by this pitch because I'm thinking if you already have the VR goggles on your head, why not figure out a way to just incorporate. That into the whole drawing the lines onto your head and everything like that process.
Does that make sense? Whoa. Sorry. I'm half sleep. He fell asleep 40 minutes ago. Uh, he fell asleep when take out on the plane to Paris. I think that we're, we're talking about to actually tie this whole thing together, because [00:51:00] remember the telehealth, do you guys remember one portion of this journey he had to call telehealth?
Yeah, we're talking about telehealth, but for, for Turkish hair places. Yeah. The whole kit and caboodle we're, we're talking about telehealth in general. Uh, this being a podcast, that pe that, that, that most people that listen to are looking for a telehealth service. And so therefore, can't Any sponsors out there looking to sponsor telehealth?
We asked for sponsors. Oh, well, I'm trying to do some help. He's not even now, he's fully bought in, I think, I think telehealth, but it's like a, it's like a hairline help, help center. I would say like once a year, I go through a period of like two weeks where I'm, I like obsess about my hairline and I go like, I'm losing all my hair.
Your hairline. You've got a lot of hair. I would, I would do a lot of things that I hairline. I I would fly to Turkey on a whim. I know, but still I'm like pulling up my hair in the mirror. I go to my barber, I'm like, am I losing it? Like what happening? Listen. Why, why is it such a [00:52:00] thing for men? You know?
Yeah. Why is there such a, uh, like one in three men go bald. Think, why is it such an think? It's like the intervening period between. Losing your hair and having your hair lost. Totally. Yeah. Like if you go full Michael Jordan. 'cause we like to mic Michael Jordan in almost every podcast full Michael's great.
We just shave. Yeah. The intermediary period. Yeah. That's tough. So I think maybe, and maybe we are all just, uh, faced with the prospect of our own mortality, which is why I think for the engineering period, it would be like, just pick up this line. Your, your hair plugs are on the line. Plugs are, no, it's just a therapist.
And they're like, you're beautiful. You're beautiful just the way you are. So the pitch is compliments therapy, not therapy, not licensed therapy. Because you, I don't think that's this, it's just you call up and someone says, Hey, you know what, man? Don't worry about it. You look great. Yeah. How do you feel?
Yeah, I feel good. Well, that's great. Then. What are we worried about here? Why do you need to go to [00:53:00] Turkey? Why do you need to do anything about anything? When, when, when, when Tate was texting in your group chat, were you. You're beautiful, man. Don't worry about it. Uh, I mean, I, I didn't offer a ton of input. I think we all said, if if it's something you want to do, go do your thing.
Yeah. But we also, I believe, suggested maybe do a little homework. First thing you did sounds like, was like, I'm flying to France. You know? Yeah. Yeah. I think he, he, yes. Yes. He, he very much applied the founder mindset. I told you, there's some learnings in here for product, right? Yeah. Move fast, break things, do things that don't scale.
Go in there. You're hoping, but I, I don't, I don't think that's the lesson. Well, it could be, here's what happened. You decided, you decided to do, you move fast. You didn't break anything because you, except your finger. Yeah. However, it, it was more like a really quick feedback loop. So I [00:54:00] did something, learned.
Okay. I took action. Right. So it's like having a bias for action. Yeah. Okay. I, okay. Maybe I'm gonna, I'm gonna let you have this one. Yeah. Because you were very generous with your time today. It's been a long session on a Wednesday afternoon. Yeah. So he came in No, no, no. Thanks to myself, therapized his entire recent journey through, through the, the Globe.
Right. And, uh, we arrived with no pitch. So what we're you and I are gonna do on a follow up episode is we're gonna come up with pitches based on Tate's story. Well, I like that. I like that. I think there's a lot of that. And then we're gonna pitch 'em back tot, which again goes back to pitch number two.
Pitch number two. What if the real pitch was believe in yourself all alone. You don't need to hear a pitch. Well, listen, because the pitch is inside you. I, I thought that it, it might, I thought that it might be that the real pitch is inside. Except when I returned to Calgary after a couple days of rocking No hat, I thought, yeah, no, it is not inside of me.
I should have done it. I, I, I should have done [00:55:00] this. I, I like that. The idea that the real pitch is inside of all of us. Yeah. Well, what about like, why can we not just solve, like, can we just think about air transplants in first principle? Like why is our Delta 15 K different? This is what I was gonna say.
Or it's different. Say, why can't we just get the clinics, care clinics? Let's get a local clinic on the pod. Do it for 4,500. Well dial 'em up. Chaz, can you dial up? They, they gotta, they gotta, they gotta fly at people out. They gotta do some other stuff, right? Uh, we're talking like 12 to, so what's the delta if it's 10 total versus 20 total?
If it was 10 versus 15, I say you would, you would've done it here. For sure. So local hair clinics, $15,000, use your promo code. They think that if the pitch is, why can't hair loss clinics locally do it for a more competitive price point? I'm going to, I'm gonna start taking people's passports when I'm like, starting a sales cycle.
Should say, we should take people's, take people's passports when they come on the spot. Yeah, [00:56:00] exactly. Yeah. It's like, uh, you're not gonna leave until we like the pitch. Okay. Uh, we should record the outro now. What do you think about that without Tate the, with it? Well, he's gonna be here for the intro and the outro.
He didn't take up enough air time. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. You gotta go. Well, I, I'm, I'm 25 minutes late for a call. Yeah, yeah. You should go. You should go. Uh, I was just about to say, Tate, I noticed you looking at your phone a bunch. I was like, that's a clear signal. Well, USC was not really helping. That's a clear signal that he's trying to play himself off.
He's like, uh, you know when someone gives a really long speech at the Academy Awards? And the band plays, but he was playing the music and giving the speech and given the speech to, I was like, I really gotta go. I gotta go. But I gotta tell you part two of this story, I gotta go, but I just gotta thank a few more people.
How do we feel about this, like living. On my digital fingerprint for the rest of my life. Oh, I think you made a lot of poor decisions. Like, like do, do we feel okay about [00:57:00] this being, well, when I, before we hit record, I was like, I didn't know that this was gonna be our pitch. I was like, is is Turkey on the table?
Like, can we talk about Turkey? I think I knew like, absolutely. And we spent the last hour in 10 minutes. Well, but, but now I'm doing like the post, you know, I'm doing like the, I've landed in Turkey. Yeah. Yeah. Like, oh my gosh. Did I make a terrible mistake? No, we have your passport. So we're, we're gonna give it back once we release the episode.
No, I mean, you're pretty successful. Right. Take. Yeah. Who can, this is where your career stalls out at this point. I think that's probably fine. I think, I think this is only shown, um, your vulnerability vulnerable. Yeah. We like vulnerability on this podcast. Yeah. A vulnerable part of you that everyone's gonna come to love.
Yeah. People will be like, you know what, I'm gonna go work at that company. And they're all gonna compliment you on your hairline Next time they see you. Great compliments. Thanks though. Yeah. People will be like, well, you don't need every interview you're doing with a potential employee there. Why would you even bother?
Yeah. With a potential employee, you never needed to go, okay, let's do this. Outro boys. No, no. We'll let you go. You gotta go. I gotta go. You gotta go. You go. We'll do it as this, as someone who's still this [00:58:00] non-zero investor in Za. If this call is related to Za Z, you gotta go. I gotta go. And Shay's gonna wake up.
Chaz's gonna come up with us with the outro and then we'll, we'll be great. Uh, I do wanna say, Tate, thank you very much for your time. Thank you for being so vulnerable. Thank you for telling this story. Thank you for educating our listener audience. I bet you there's a bunch of people out there who are like, I was thinking about this for myself.
And now, uh, maybe I am, maybe, maybe I still am, but I might do some diligence ahead of time and I really hope there's a, there's a hair loss clinic out there listing that's like, you know what? All we gotta do is, uh, we just gotta hit the right price point. Yeah. And we can keep all this, keep all these dollars in this country, solve the Canadian productivity crisis by having people get their hair plugs in Canada.
Shabam, this actually reminds me, I got a pitch for another episode. I just finished the ep, the, the episode really well. And you just, and you just like, you just kind of jumped it. Alright. I'm outta here. See? See you boys. Chaz, are you there? Thank you, Tate. That was a wonderful yes. See [00:59:00] you cha. Let's sleep at Remar.
Huh?
So weird guys. I was dreaming about Paris. Okay. Uh, Chaz, we'll be right back. Okay. Chaz, Phil Tate came in. Did not really pitch an idea at all. Just this is what I dealt with for seven years. He was just like, uh, and in an incredible way. Yeah. That's why we were so successful. He kind of had all these hair-brained, hair brained, he had all these wild ideas and I'd be like, I don't know if we can do that.
And then I'd go home and be like, yeah, I think I can figure out a way. You know? Yeah. And so he just kind of came on and was like, I do not fit into the construct of what your podcast is. I'm just gonna tell a story. And then maybe there's a pitch in there somewhere. You thought this was gonna be a bit more like therapy?
Do you think you got the therapy? No. No, I did not. You thought I was gonna get therapy? I think it was like, therapy just wasn't for me. Okay. For you. Yeah. [01:00:00] I think it was for Tate. Yeah. Yeah. But, uh, I think this is like, uh, you know, the pitches, uh. Here's the pitch. Men should be comfortable talking about this kind of thing.
I love it. If we were more comfortable talking with each other about this, maybe there would be more information sharing about, uh, what you need to do, not do. Think about when you, uh, when you go overseas to get your hair done. Should we start every episode with, uh, we, we all start with one thing that we're feeling insecure about that week.
That's the, the bitch is now this podcast is, it's, uh, it's, it's just men being vulnerable. Just men being vulnerable. And that would actually create value in life. You know, there's not enough tech stuff that's just about men, okay? But there's also not enough tech bros who are vulnerable. Maybe if there were more tech bros who are vulnerable, there'd be fewer tech bros.
Uh, there would be tech gentlemen. I wish this sound, uh, mixer had like a head exploding sound effect. It doesn't have much. What else you got on there?[01:01:00]
Oh, a little dance pick. That feels like that's you, right? That's like every time it's like, Hey, it's Philip Burns. Do it.
Yeah. We got a, we got a coach one on here. No show. Yeah. Whistle. Like a whistle or something. What's, I had a friend of mine text me today and she's like, Hey, am I, um, indirectly famous? 'cause I was the one that basically started calling you coach Whoa. Around the neighborhood. And I was like, yeah you are.
Wow. Yeah. Do we wanna drop their name? Uh, it's Laura. Laura and Laura's husband. Chuck is actually coming on the pod in a couple weeks. He runs a startup here in town. No way. So everything is connected full circle. Um, I had a whole bunch of stuff I was gonna talk to you about and ask you about, but we have really gone over time, like even, even by our standards.
This one's well over an hour. Yeah. So we're not gonna do a bunch of witty banter on the outro today. [01:02:00] Did you just use the cough? You used the mutant cough button. Yeah. Which is great. I even that we're sitting so close to each other, it gets picked up either way. But I do appreciate the professionalism. I saw that you did that.
So what, what we decided in the little intermediary, just for the audience, we don't record every single thing we say. So we had a little offline chat. We we're going to come back from this episode of Tate telling his his story. We're gonna turn this into a two-parter. Part one is gonna be Tate's story.
Part two is gonna be we dissect and pitch ideas based on Tate's story. Boom. And, oh, that's gonna be too complicated. I'm not gonna suggest it. What? What? Because I was gonna suggest if we could release this Yeah. Episode and then sort of call to the public of like, if you have a Tate related pitch, maybe we should schedule that one for like three weeks from now and be like, you're able to come on and pitch it for.
So we, we [01:03:00] would do one and then we'd get the public to do one. Well, maybe, maybe we could like come back and say like, oh, we will be recording. You know, we could even say like, February 2nd. Call. Call in live. Call in live. No, here it is. We should do a live. A live recording. Yeah. Tech Thursday event. We do the live recording.
I think it's going. Them being vulnerable.
I do not recall. Giving you permission to touch this up. A well placed dance break. Shaz, what do you think buddy? How was your nap? I would like to clarify for the listeners that I'm half asleep just 'cause I'm sick. Not because of Tate's boring story. Okay. Well I actually think Tate's story was definitely not born.
Yeah, it was. I mean it was not a pitch at all, but it was an absolute journey. Yeah, it was incredible. No, just you talked to the documentary filmmaker about the road trip to the biggest roge in the [01:04:00] world. I think road trip to Turkey. This is also Filmable. That would be so cool. Actually. That would be a movie I would watch.
It's a man going to get hair plugs in Turkey, but panicking and leaving. Yeah. You know this uh, what's, uh, Tim Robinson? Is that the, uh, I think you should leave Guy. Yeah, I think so. He would be the main, the actor that would play the main character this film? Yes. That would be so good. Yeah, I would like to see this happen.
Uh, Chaz, I, I've never seen your hairline because every time we've been on a call, you hold the camera so close to your face. Yeah. So I've never seen your hairline. What, what, what's going on over there? He's got a tremendous hair. Would you like me to describe my hair for you? Yeah, please. Well, I've actually have a lot of friends that are in similar boats to Tate, and for the last like year, maybe even a little bit longer, I've showed up to the hairdressers thinking I'm just going to get like, the typical cut, like nice and short and [01:05:00] clean.
But every time my hairdresser kind of gases me up and tells me how much, how good my hair is and how much he likes it. And now I look like a hippie. Yeah. But I'm kind of just gonna keep riding this out until my hairline starts to go on me. But. The lot. The hairline isn't the issue for me. I have a lot of grays.
That's my big thing. Ooh. Yeah. You and me both be, yeah. Pitches. So I don't know. There's pitch idea there. Pip pips. Pip slips. But for hair, pip, pip. Tips, pips. Tips. Tips. Tips. Tips, tips. Tips. And it's frosted tips or un or unfrosted. Un. 'cause you want you un unfrosted. Yeah. I think there's a lot of hair products for getting rid of grays though.
Yeah, that's true. Like a lot. Like they got dry powder now they got shampoo, they got all this stuff and I don't use it because I look very distinguished. You do, you got a mix of salt and [01:06:00] pepper action going ahead. It's mostly, mostly salt. Uh, I don't even know. That was the wildest episode. Yeah. Episode six will go down in history is the most surprising episode to date.
I hope people don't listen to this one and then get the idea that they can just show up and tell a story. That's not what this podcast is, so we're gonna have to make sure, Chaz, you're gonna have to make sure you snap that out of a future guest. Basically just be like, Hey, yeah, none of your stories. We don't wanna hear about your stories and your life.
You know? That's not what this is. All of our pictures just become hour long pitches. It's just hour long journeys. Dan, who talks a lot, Dan knocked out two pitches in 40 minutes. Tate knocked out a quarter of a pitch in 55 minutes, and I believe if you recall the, at the beginning of this episode, he makes, he made fun of me for being somebody who talks too much.
Well, at the beginning of the episode, he also said, this pitch is really good and serious, and so that we all leaned in, right? Yeah. He said he had a [01:07:00] serious business idea. It was serious business idea, not what? Well, believing in yourself is good. Yeah. I like the believing in yourself. Yeah. Maybe that's the pitch.
Yeah. Okay. That's where we're taken away. Today's the episode title is going to be Believe in Yourself. Believe in yourself. You are enough. That's what this episode title's gonna be. Uh, well thanks everybody. I am legitimately rattled right now. Um, I'm still processing that entire story. I, I, yeah. I thought I was feeling anxious during it.
I thought Tate was gonna get maybe abducted then. I thought he was gonna lose his hand. Yeah. Uh, but he came back literally no different. But, uh, he looks pretty good when he shaves his head. Oh, we've seen it. So the ball, apparently there's a, uh, a subreddit called r slash bald, and it just encourages people to like make the go for the buzz.
Yeah. And everyone looks better so. Yeah, you gotta have the right shaped head. He's got the right shaped [01:08:00] head. Hmm. Uh, Jean-Luc Picard also got the right shaped head for being bald. Michael Jordan. Right. Shaped head for being bald. You're like, we're not gonna keep the outro long. Now we're just like, but let me lift all the bald people I can think of.
Hold on. You guys got some bald people? You cut it off brother. Do you wanna name some more? Uh, when Benton Kingsley played Gandhi, he looked pretty good bald. He did. I remember that. Uh, okay, everyone, thanks. Uh, thanks for your time. Ando, your hairline is on the line. That's it. That's the name of this episode.
Pack a lunch. Alright everyone, that B, thank you very much.